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dambun wrote:AAAAhhhh! Elementtttt.... It's time to wake up

Why he should 'wake up' when he woke up long time ago?

Neuer has a no. 1 of Elf, but that doesn't makes him still the best GK in Germany. Before he get no. 1, he was just an Adler's reserve. For me, he is still in that role, no matter on current situation. In U-23 selections and lower, he wasn't no. 1, just as in WC 2010. qualifications. That told Element & me just enough what kind of s GK is Neuer, just like those 2 "space" goals in less than a month.

Is that correct Element?

MrLinky wrote:Aha. Half of the time. You made some scientific research to support that theory of yours? If you didn't, this is baseless and wild speculation. Leverkusen have conceded just as many goals as we have. So does that make Kraft as good of a keeper as Adler half of the time, or is that a quarter of the time? I'm just interested in your scientifical calculations, you make them sound so certain.

I like how you're going to take the "massive douche" approach to this, most lovely. I'll try to indulge you in return then.

Try watching a Bayern game. You very rarely see Kraft influence his defensive line apart from set pieces. Rather than a goalie with good vision (Neuer, durh) we have our CBs exhibiting a painful to watch passing training between each other while being pressed by the opponents defensive line. Finally they are pressed so much they pass the ball back to Kraft who just slams it clear. It's a standard scenario and it very rarely results in the ball in our posession in the final third. That's just when we have the ball. When defending, our CBs are not disciplined, and it can be blamed on them, yes, as well as Kraft, who is at the goal and can see the game unraveling before him far better than a defender. So the core problem is that our already incompetent defensive line is not being helped by the goalkeeper in open play, hence the wording "half of the time".

Eagerly awaiting your strawman of a reply, though.

Sign Neuer or fcb will never be in cl again

quaazi wrote:I like how you're going to take the "massive douche" approach to this, most lovely. I'll try to indulge you in return then.

Try watching a Bayern game. You very rarely see Kraft influence his defensive line apart from set pieces. Rather than a goalie with good vision (Neuer, durh) we have our CBs exhibiting a painful to watch passing training between each other while being pressed by the opponents defensive line. Finally they are pressed so much they pass the ball back to Kraft who just slams it clear. It's a standard scenario and it very rarely results in the ball in our posession in the final third. That's just when we have the ball. When defending, our CBs are not disciplined, and it can be blamed on them, yes, as well as Kraft, who is at the goal and can see the game unraveling before him far better than a defender. So the core problem is that our already incompetent defensive line is not being helped by the goalkeeper in open play, hence the wording "half of the time".

Eagerly awaiting your strawman of a reply, though.

Number one, I never started getting personal. Number two, I never insulted or offended you in any form in my post. You did, both. Does that make you think at all about who the one with the "massive douche" approach (your words, not mine, why do people even use words like that on the internet in connection with total strangers they don’t even know a thing about?!) here is? There are always gonna be polemics on a discussion board. I write things, I read things, I agree with some, I disagree with other and I position myself. If you get provoked easily, that's not my fault and that's probably something you're gonna have to deal with yourself. I can't help you with that. If "half of the time" was just meant as a phrase and nothing more, that's a mistake on my part and I apologize for my misinterpretation. To me, that's not what it sounded like and I'm still of the opinion that "half of the time" is exaggerating it, even as merely an expression. And it's definitely not the core of the problem either, but okay - let's not get caught up in semantics. I do, as a matter of fact, agree with the basic idea of what you're trying to say, and that's also one of the reasons I would enjoy seeing Neuer at Bayern next season. It's one of his strengths. There was still no need to come out acting all tough and pounding your chest out of a harmless post like that. However, I understand. You’re a relatively new user and you wanna profile yourself. It’s human. You’re not leaving a good impression by choosing this approach and being disrespectful though. I’m just telling you that. What you do with it is your business.

So was this the response you were eagerly awaiting? I'm glad if I made your day more cheerful and enjoyable.

haha que?

C'mon boys, play nice...we are all rooting for the same team, right?

Finally.. honestly Butt should have never been benched after a very good, and quality first half.

I really hope Butt do well, I don't want to see a worse GK, and we all know how bad he can be out of form.

i won't blame kraft just because he made a mistake he's just a young player ... and of course he'll make mistakes .. i think he should move to a team like HSV or SCHALKE so he can developp there ... for bayern of course we need neuer the best goalie in the world

i find it funny that people are glad to butt in goal. He is just an average keeper.

vijay92 wrote:i find it funny that people are glad to butt in goal. He is just an average keeper.

Better an average, experienced goalkeeper than Kraft.

MUTU wrote:

vijay92 wrote:i find it funny that people are glad to butt in goal. He is just an average keeper.

Better an average, experienced goalkeeper than Kraft.

+1. Hate feeling insecure on our back. Hate loosing games because of a GK's lousiness.

:/
I thought Tomas will grab his chance with both hands, I hope this is just a transition period and that he will take his place as our #1 goalie in the future.