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Re: Bayern München's Miscellaneous

Postby JANCKER » Thu Jan 15, 2015 11:19 am

You take everything into account when it comes to the penalty-shootout, praying to God and etc.
There are some GKs that are better in saving penalties than the other are, it takes special skill and even that isn't enough if the penalty taker shoots it to an angle that is impossible for the GK to save.

You can account it like the number of mistakes a player makes in the most under pressured matches to know the biggest game players. And I'm pretty sure Fußballgott was ahead in number of challenges, tackles, etc


Is that all the glory he gets from the stats? He played the game of his life for some reason... and stats just don't care.

We take Messi out every year just for Ronaldo to win it... If stats are what matter he deserves it.

The statistics on sanity are that one out of every four Americans is suffering from some form of mental illness. Think of your three best friends. If they're okay, then it's you.
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Re: Bayern München's Miscellaneous

Postby runaway » Thu Jan 15, 2015 12:09 pm

What do expect from it? It's a numerical representation of the players' performance. I looked into it and he got 100% tackles, 90% passing accuracy. It's not a reward, the World Cup trophy is. It's a metric of the players' performance. It let's us understand the intricacies and subtleties of football with data. Like in my post, are all goals equal? The answer is no.

Not all goals are created equal. Anderson and Sally devised a stat they call marginal points in which players who score key goals (the first or second for their teams) are worth more. Looking at goal-scoring stats from the Premier League seasons in England in 2009-10 and 2010-11, they found that Chelsea should have paid Sunderland $39 million for Darren Bent rather than sending Liverpool $77 million for Fernando Torres, because Bent’s goals led to more points over those two seasons than any player’s.


If you want a good book about football, I'd recommend "The Numbers Game: Why everything you know about Football is wrong" Here's an excerpt:

Seven words have long dominated football:

That’s the way it’s always been done.

The beautiful game is steeped in tradition. The beautiful game clings to its dogmas and its truisms, its beliefs and its credos. The beautiful game is run by men who do not wish to see their power challenged by outsiders, who know that their way of seeing the game is the true way of seeing the game. They do not want to be told that, for more than a century, they have been missing something. That there is knowledge that they do not possess. That how things have always been done is not how things should always be done.

The beautiful game is wilful in its ignorance. The beautiful game is a game ripe for change.

And at the centre of that change are numbers. It is numbers that will challenge convention and invert norms, overhaul practices and shatter beliefs. It is numbers that let us glimpse the game as we have never seen it before.

Every world-class club knows this. All of them employ analysis staff, specialists in data collection and interpretation who use all the information they can glean to plan training sessions, design playing systems, plot transfers. There are millions of pounds and hundreds of trophies at stake. Every club is prepared to do anything it takes to gain the slightest edge.

But what none of those clubs has yet managed to do is take those numbers and see their inner truth. It is not just a matter of collecting data. You have to know what to do with them.

This is football’s newest frontier. It is often said that football cannot, or should not, be broken down into mere statistics. That, critics say, removes the beauty from the beautiful game. But that is not how the clubs who fight to win the Champions League or the Premier League or the nations battling to lift the World Cup see it, and neither do we. We believe that every shred of knowledge we can gather helps us love football, in all of its complex glory, all the more. This is the future. There is no stopping it.

That is not to say all of football’s traditions are wrong. The data we are now able to gather and analyse confirm that some of what we’ve always thought was true really is true. Beyond this, however, the numbers offer us further truths, make clear things we could not have known intuitively and expose the falsehoods of ‘the way it’s always been done’. The biggest problem resulting from following a venerated tradition and hardened dogma is that they are rarely questioned. Knowledge remains static while the game itself and the world around it change.

The numbers can help us see the game in a different light. What we have always done is not necessarily what we must always do.


No wonder we don't score from corners most of the time. It's not just our lack of skill in corners but:

The data do prove that corners and shots on goal go hand-in-hand – a team that shoots more will have more corners, and vice versa.

However, teams that shoot more and get more corners do not score more goals. The total number of goals a team scores does not increase with the number of corners it wins. The correlation is essentially zero. You can have one corner or you can have seventeen corners: it will have no significant impact on how many goals you score.

Surely corners cannot be that ineffective? But they are, for all that football’s lore – and our own memories – want to trick us into believing that they’re not. With the help of data from StatDNA we examined what happened after a corner was taken in a sample of 134 Premier League matches from the 2010/11 season – a total of 1,434 corners.12 We were expecting to see proof of the following: corners lead to shots, shots lead to goals. Corners, then, should lead to goals.

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Re: Bayern München's Miscellaneous

Postby MUTU » Thu Jan 15, 2015 12:26 pm

JANCKER wrote:The statistics on sanity are that one out of every four Americans is suffering from some form of mental illness. Think of your three best friends. If they're okay, then it's you.

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Re: Bayern München's Miscellaneous

Postby JANCKER » Thu Jan 15, 2015 12:43 pm

I don't want to read anything like that, I'll trust my judgement over stats, and I'm not the only one ignorant of the two... I never won a dime from football, I've collected enough partial information through years to know something about it. Football in stats is dull and I'm not willing to kill my passion, I used to trust in stats sometimes but they've let me down many times.
I'm more interested in the parts of this game that stats ignore...
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Re: Bayern München's Miscellaneous

Postby fearlesskiki » Thu Jan 15, 2015 12:51 pm

It's weird that you can't score more goals from corners. :?
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Re: Bayern München's Miscellaneous

Postby JANCKER » Thu Jan 15, 2015 12:55 pm

They probably collected that data from Barca's midgets or Bayern after van Buyten.
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Re: Bayern München's Miscellaneous

Postby quaazi » Thu Jan 15, 2015 1:36 pm

JANCKER wrote: Bayern after van Buyten.

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Re: Bayern München's Miscellaneous

Postby JANCKER » Thu Jan 15, 2015 1:50 pm

I know whose name I was ready to shout when we had a corner before... before him it was Ballack.
But height is not always everything... there's Falcao for example who's not that tall and headers are his strong side.
But only one good player again doesn't do the trick even in that, too much heat on him, except if you're really good with headers... and DVB was really good in that.
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Re: Bayern München's Miscellaneous

Postby MUTU » Thu Jan 15, 2015 1:53 pm

JANCKER wrote:I know whose name I was ready to shout when we had a corner before... before him it was Ballack.

Don't forget Toni :)
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Re: Bayern München's Miscellaneous

Postby JANCKER » Thu Jan 15, 2015 2:01 pm

Toni was Ribery's right-hand man... he had better headers than Gomez. Everyone expected Gomez to score more headers, it was weird that he didn't. He was always misjudged from his height...
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Re: Bayern München's Miscellaneous

Postby MUTU » Thu Jan 15, 2015 2:13 pm

JANCKER wrote:Toni was Ribery's right-hand man... he had better headers than Gomez. Everyone expected Gomez to score more headers, it was weird that he didn't. He was always misjudged from his height...

Well, Toni is 7cm taller than Gomez, so he could head the ball more comfortably. But you're right, Gomez had relatively poor heading for his height... for example Klose is 10cm shorter than Gomez and scores more headers.
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Re: Bayern München's Miscellaneous

Postby runaway » Thu Jan 15, 2015 8:33 pm

fearlesskiki wrote:It's weird that you can't score more goals from corners.

Because there's no direct correlation between the number of corners a team won and their chance to score it. Just because a team gets a lot like Bayern doesn't mean that the chances we are going to score one would be higher. In the book, it says a corner is 0.022% a goal. And that's in PL. Maybe in BL it might can be different.
JANCKER wrote:They probably collected that data from Barca's midgets or Bayern after van Buyten.

No. If you read the qouted post it was from PL data, the only league that celebrates a corner as if it's a sure goal which according to the book has baffled even Jose Mourinho.
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Re: Bayern München's Miscellaneous

Postby theundead » Thu Jan 15, 2015 8:39 pm

runaway wrote:Because there's no direct correlation between the number of corners a team won and their chance to score it.

It would be interesting to see if there are differences among different teams in the chance of scoring from a corner. eg. Bayern are really bad at corners recently and some teams might be significantly better than us at scoring from corners.
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Re: Bayern München's Miscellaneous

Postby Ottomeister13 » Thu Jan 15, 2015 8:42 pm

Atletico ;)
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Re: Bayern München's Miscellaneous

Postby JANCKER » Thu Jan 15, 2015 8:58 pm

After Bierhoff, I remember that Simeone had perfect headers, they've been learning the technique from him... :P Jancker was a tall striker but like Gomez his strongest side weren't headers.

Mourinho is good with mind games, football has to do a lot with psychology amongst other things.
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