JANCKER wrote:At what price do 18-20 year olds usually go? Anyone who pays over 30M for an 18-20 year old is insane.
Rauntšik wrote:JANCKER wrote:At what price do 18-20 year olds usually go? Anyone who pays over 30M for an 18-20 year old is insane.
*Looks at Manchester United*
PunkCapitalist wrote:Could you be kind enough to tell us what did tranfermarkt say about De Bruyne's value when he moved?
What does it say about Müller? Thanks!
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PunkCapitalist wrote:Could you be kind enough to tell us what did tranfermarkt say about De Bruyne's value when he moved?
What does it say about Müller? Thanks!
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endrity wrote:Despite the Coman deal, Juve have traditionally been the most well run club in Italy. While the Agnellis have bankrolled the club at times, there has been much more consistency to them than Milan or Inter. Even with the Calciopoli scandal, it is Juve who has most often formed the backbone of succesful Italian national teams. And while Inter and Milan would often go for Hollywood purchases, Juve was the one to buy solid players and usually turn them into stars.
Their rebuild after Calciopoli is epic compared to the advantages that Inter and Milan enjoyed. Not only have they completely overtaken them on the field, but off the field is where the difference is largest. They are the first club in Italy to build and own their football-specific stadium, which has been a tremendous asset for them. Other clubs are light years behind this.
Relative to their resources, only Bayern are a better managed club in Europe I'd say.
As for the others, I am not sure about Altetico's ranking. While Simeone's reign has masked some of their flaws and could eventually become the building block for the club to really grow on, they have actually been a perpetually mismanaged club in the past. They have huge debts, I think larger than Barca and Real as a % of their revenue. At the turn of the century they were relagated and for a long time they were passed by Valencia and Sevilla as the third team in Spain eventhough Atletico has better resources (history, location, youth teams) than them. If Simeone can keep doing what he's doing for a few more years and with a new stadium being finished next year, they might just become a success story though.
If you would have asked me 2-3 years ago, I would have said that Arsenal have been extremely well managed. They were able to self finance a brand new, state of the art stadium, while maintaining their Top 4 status eventhough few quality purchases were made. Management and coaching deserves huge respect for that. However, ever since their debt burden has been reduced, I expected them to push on to higher goals. They have yet to achieve that. The fact that clubs like Dortmund, Atletico, Juve have achieved a lot more than them in Europe even with much less resources should be a very disturbing fact for them.
As for well managed, I'd say at this point Dortmund should be considered. Their rise, and re-rise post Klopp, while keeping all their stars, points to a strong managment core in addition to their coaching. The purchase of Weigl suggests that their scouting remains excellent besides Klopp and they are also trying to push their youth teams more. I really hope they push on and reach their 2012-13 heights again because the BuLi really needs them.
PSG I'd agree are very well run from the oil clubs. While there are some troubles at times with their players, they also seem to have a sense of professionalism that isn't always present with City and Chelsea. They are very close I think to breaking the Barca-Bayern-RM trio that has sort of dominated Europe in the last half decade.
So I'd say in no particular order after Bayern, Juve, Dortmund and PSG are the clubs I'd mention. I guess Barca would be fifth due to their sheer amount of success and their youth work in the previous decade, but their resources also suggest that they should be quite successful. Messi alone though also has covered for a lot of their flaws though.
No other "big" club comes as close as these I'd say. There are probably other success stories around Europe like Southampton, Mainz, Napoli, Porto, Basel, Gladbach recently etc. But comparing between them is difficult given that their goals and resources are quite different.
ramsej84 wrote:1. Bayern
2. Juventus
3. Atletico Bilbao
4. Atletico Madrid
5. Everton
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