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Re: 2017/18 Tactics & Formations Thread

Postby aterford » Wed Apr 04, 2018 3:02 pm

Javi has looked good so far under Heynckes, but I'm a bit wary still. Of course playing CB and DM are different, but I remember watching Javi play vs Madrid last year and he was SO woefully off the pace he looked like he didn't even belong on the bench. Again, times are different now, but I'm still worried he'll have a hard time keeping up vs the top teams remaining.
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Re: 2017/18 Tactics & Formations Thread

Postby Dumbledore7 » Wed Apr 04, 2018 10:15 pm

aterford wrote:Javi has looked good so far under Heynckes, but I'm a bit wary still. Of course playing CB and DM are different, but I remember watching Javi play vs Madrid last year and he was SO woefully off the pace he looked like he didn't even belong on the bench. Again, times are different now, but I'm still worried he'll have a hard time keeping up vs the top teams remaining.

His only passing option last night was Thiago, of course he gets overwhelmed. He didn't have much problem offensively when both James and Thiago were on the pitch.

Defensively, it was all Kimmich's fault that makes it impossible for Boateng, Javi and Hummels to structure themselves. We were left with:



When we should've had:

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Re: 2017/18 Tactics & Formations Thread

Postby Manchu » Thu Apr 12, 2018 2:27 am

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Anyone else notice the pattern? Surprising that he would choose to give Wagner the more difficult(i.e. away) games but it has worked wonderfully so far.
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Re: 2017/18 Tactics & Formations Thread

Postby Roonzil » Thu Apr 12, 2018 9:18 am

Manchu wrote:Image

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Anyone else notice the pattern? Surprising that he would choose to give Wagner the more difficult(i.e. away) games but it has worked wonderfully so far.


And scoring in almost every game


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Re: 2017/18 Tactics & Formations Thread

Postby Manchu » Sun Apr 15, 2018 7:49 am

I've heard an interesting idea to (temporally) solve our left-wing problem: start Rafinha as LB and Alaba as LW. I'm not sure if I'm really sold on it as I haven't been impressed by Alaba's play as a winger this season but he's probably still better than current Ribery.
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Re: 2017/18 Tactics & Formations Thread

Postby ramsej84 » Sun Apr 15, 2018 8:04 am

Manchu wrote:I've heard an interesting idea to (temporally) solve our left-wing problem: start Rafinha as LB and Alaba as LW. I'm not sure if I'm really sold on it as I haven't been impressed by Alaba's play as a winger this season but he's probably still better than current Ribery.
Not a bad idea.... not bad at all... especially vs Real Madrid....

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Re: 2017/18 Tactics & Formations Thread

Postby aterford » Sun Apr 15, 2018 6:26 pm

Manchu wrote:I've heard an interesting idea to (temporally) solve our left-wing problem: start Rafinha as LB and Alaba as LW. I'm not sure if I'm really sold on it as I haven't been impressed by Alaba's play as a winger this season but he's probably still better than current Ribery.


I thought the same but with Alaba at LB and Bernat at LW....that is until Bernat lost his head over the past few weeks...
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Re: 2017/18 Tactics & Formations Thread

Postby Coman » Sun Apr 15, 2018 6:53 pm

Wait ... you're really saying Alaba as a winger is better than Ribéry ? LOL
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Re: 2017/18 Tactics & Formations Thread

Postby YlonenXabi » Sun Apr 15, 2018 8:33 pm

Ribery as LW over Alaba any day of the week

Alaba can't beat defenders, can't cross at all... just because he scored a good goal doesn't mean he would be a good LW.
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Re: 2017/18 Tactics & Formations Thread

Postby Dumbledore7 » Sun Apr 15, 2018 9:14 pm

Hahahaha what the ****
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Re: 2017/18 Tactics & Formations Thread

Postby PunkCapitalist » Sun Apr 15, 2018 9:46 pm

YlonenXabi wrote:Ribery as LW over Alaba any day of the week

Alaba can't beat defenders, can't cross at all... just because he scored a good goal doesn't mean he would be a good LW.
Yeah. I mean, I've been very critical of Ribery. But Alaba or Bernat instead.of him against Madrid? No.

The best would be to switch to a 4312 formation, but if we're going to stick to wingplay, just play Ribery...

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Re: 2017/18 Tactics & Formations Thread

Postby Manchu » Sun Apr 15, 2018 10:17 pm

PunkCapitalist wrote:
The best would be to switch to a 4312 formation, but if we're going to stick to wingplay, just play Ribery...

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What would be you're preferred 4312, especially considering Vidal's injury?
Like this:



or like this:


I would prefer the second one just because I have not been impressed by our play when both Lewandowski and Wagner play at the same time. They both want to occupy the same space.
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Re: 2017/18 Tactics & Formations Thread

Postby PunkCapitalist » Sun Apr 15, 2018 10:34 pm

Manchu wrote:
PunkCapitalist wrote:
The best would be to switch to a 4312 formation, but if we're going to stick to wingplay, just play Ribery...

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What would be you're preferred 4312, especially considering Vidal's injury?
Like this:



or like this:


I would prefer the second one just because I have not been impressed by our play when both Lewandowski and Wagner play at the same time. They both want to occupy the same space.
I like better your second option, although my real preferred formation would actually be a 442 like:

---------Lewy-Müller
James-----------------Tolisso
-----------Thiago-Javi

Müller as a the right wide midfielder (in Tolisso's spot) and Wagner alongside Lewy might also be juicy, but I can see why you say it wouldn't work.

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Re: 2017/18 Tactics & Formations Thread

Postby aterford » Sun Apr 15, 2018 11:21 pm

PunkCapitalist wrote:
YlonenXabi wrote:Ribery as LW over Alaba any day of the week

Alaba can't beat defenders, can't cross at all... just because he scored a good goal doesn't mean he would be a good LW.
Yeah. I mean, I've been very critical of Ribery. But Alaba or Bernat instead.of him against Madrid? No.

The best would be to switch to a 4312 formation, but if we're going to stick to wingplay, just play Ribery...

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I wouldn't do it against Madrid (TBH I'd probably want to see James - Müller - Robben) but in the League? Sure why not
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Re: 2017/18 Tactics & Formations Thread

Postby PunkCapitalist » Sun Apr 15, 2018 11:25 pm

aterford wrote:
PunkCapitalist wrote:
YlonenXabi wrote:Ribery as LW over Alaba any day of the week

Alaba can't beat defenders, can't cross at all... just because he scored a good goal doesn't mean he would be a good LW.
Yeah. I mean, I've been very critical of Ribery. But Alaba or Bernat instead.of him against Madrid? No.

The best would be to switch to a 4312 formation, but if we're going to stick to wingplay, just play Ribery...

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I wouldn't do it against Madrid (TBH I'd probably want to see James - Müller - Robben) but in the League? Sure why not
At this point, bases on recent performances, I'd much rather have Ribery than Robben on the pitch against Madrid.

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