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Re: 2017/18 Tactics & Formations Thread

Postby #12 » Sat Jul 15, 2017 9:23 pm

bastos80 wrote:I only found this.
http://www.sport1.de/fussball/dfb-pokal ... n-elfmeter

The miss against Augsburg in the cup last season was his 6th miss in a row.
I don't know if he even took one after that.

Mainz -> Zagreb -> Bochum -> Atletico -> Italy -> Augsburg.


He scored in the Cup Final...
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Re: 2017/18 Tactics & Formations Thread

Postby America USA » Sat Jul 15, 2017 11:15 pm

MUTU wrote:Starke 0 misses in his career. :coffee:

Neuer to take the PKs for Bayern? :idea:
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Re: 2017/18 Tactics & Formations Thread

Postby aterford » Sun Jul 16, 2017 7:04 am

Lewandowski and Müller might share a similar penalty style but Müller is not striking the ball well AT ALL on penalties right now. It's one thing to send it the same way or to have a GK "figure you you". But if you strike the ball well enough, 9/10 times it won't matter. That's the difference between Müller and Lewy right now - Lewy puts his boot through the ball and drives it into the net - Müller steps up and scuffs it, basically tries to pass it in....

In whatever case here's the penalty numbers...IMO our top choices for takers (many of the others haven't taken a penalty in years or never in a competitive senior match, non-shootout)
First off is career numbers according to Transfermarkt - no shootout stats - sorted by most made with percentage following:
1. Lewandowski - 29/32 - 91%
2. Vidal - 28/33 - 85%
3. Müller - 26/33 - 79%
4. Robben - 17/19 - 89%
5. Ribery - 12/16 - 75%
6. James - 11/14 - 79%
7. Rudy - 8/9 - 89%
8. Alaba - 8/12 - 67%
9. Rafinha - 5/6 - 83%
10. Thiago - 4/4 - 100%
11. Kimmich - 4/4 - 100% (U21 Euro qualifiers, Stuttgart U19/U17)
12. Hummels - 4/5 - 80%
13. Javi - 2/3 - 67%
14. Sanches - 2/3 - 67% (scored with Benfica B)
15. Friedl - 2/3 - 67% (FCB U19)
16. Tolisso - 1/1 - 100%
17. Coman - 1/1 - 100% (PSG U19)
18. Süle - 0/1 - 0% (Hoffenheim U19)
19. Neuer, Ulreich, Früchtl, Bernat, Benko, Dorsch, Götze, Boateng - 0/0

Now, for the past two seasons (15/16, 16/17) by percentage:
1. Lewandowski - 16/16 - 100%
2. Robben - 2/2 - 100%
3. Sanches - 2/2 - 100%
4. Vidal - 2/3 - 67%
5. Friedl - 2/3 - 67%
6. James - 2/4 - 50%
7. Müller - 3/8 - 38%
None of the others have attempted a penalty in the past two seasons as far as I can tell
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Re: 2017/18 Tactics & Formations Thread

Postby kod2600 » Sun Jul 16, 2017 8:31 am

Muller himself knows he shouldn't take penalties. That takes nothing away from him shall he regain his form. Let's give it to someone else if Lewandowski is absent. Vidal or Thiago would do.
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Re: 2017/18 Tactics & Formations Thread

Postby MUTU » Sun Jul 16, 2017 8:46 am

America USA wrote:
MUTU wrote:Starke 0 misses in his career. :coffee:

Neuer to take the PKs for Bayern? :idea:



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Re: 2017/18 Tactics & Formations Thread

Postby ramsej84 » Sun Jul 16, 2017 8:49 am

Vs Bremen we were kinda wingerless...

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Re: 2017/18 Tactics & Formations Thread

Postby bastos80 » Sun Jul 16, 2017 12:00 pm

aterford wrote:Lewandowski and Müller might share a similar penalty style but Müller is not striking the ball well AT ALL on penalties right now. It's one thing to send it the same way or to have a GK "figure you you". But if you strike the ball well enough, 9/10 times it won't matter. That's the difference between Müller and Lewy right now - Lewy puts his boot through the ball and drives it into the net - Müller steps up and scuffs it, basically tries to pass it in....

In whatever case here's the penalty numbers...IMO our top choices for takers (many of the others haven't taken a penalty in years or never in a competitive senior match, non-shootout)
First off is career numbers according to Transfermarkt - no shootout stats - sorted by most made with percentage following:
1. Lewandowski - 29/32 - 91%
2. Vidal - 28/33 - 85%
3. Müller - 26/33 - 79%
4. Robben - 17/19 - 89%
5. Ribery - 12/16 - 75%
6. James - 11/14 - 79%
7. Rudy - 8/9 - 89%
8. Alaba - 8/12 - 67%
9. Rafinha - 5/6 - 83%
10. Thiago - 4/4 - 100%
11. Kimmich - 4/4 - 100% (U21 Euro qualifiers, Stuttgart U19/U17)
12. Hummels - 4/5 - 80%
13. Javi - 2/3 - 67%
14. Sanches - 2/3 - 67% (scored with Benfica B)
15. Friedl - 2/3 - 67% (FCB U19)
16. Tolisso - 1/1 - 100%
17. Coman - 1/1 - 100% (PSG U19)
18. Süle - 0/1 - 0% (Hoffenheim U19)
19. Neuer, Ulreich, Früchtl, Bernat, Benko, Dorsch, Götze, Boateng - 0/0

Now, for the past two seasons (15/16, 16/17) by percentage:
1. Lewandowski - 16/16 - 100%
2. Robben - 2/2 - 100%
3. Sanches - 2/2 - 100%
4. Vidal - 2/3 - 67%
5. Friedl - 2/3 - 67%
6. James - 2/4 - 50%
7. Müller - 3/8 - 38%
None of the others have attempted a penalty in the past two seasons as far as I can tell


Damn Müller, 38% :lol:
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Re: 2017/18 Tactics & Formations Thread

Postby nm462272 » Sun Jul 16, 2017 12:47 pm

MUTU wrote:
America USA wrote:
MUTU wrote:Starke 0 misses in his career. :coffee:

Neuer to take the PKs for Bayern? :idea:



:cry:


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Re: 2017/18 Tactics & Formations Thread

Postby YlonenXabi » Sun Jul 16, 2017 8:37 pm

JANCKER wrote:You can say that after that miss against Atletico, something happened there... just like Robben stopped taking them.



Well, IIRC Robben missed two crucial penalties (Dortmund and Chelsea) but before that I think he scored like 100% of his penalties for us. And in between those 2 misses he also scored against Real Madrid in Bernabeu and against Dortmund in the Pokal finale. And took the risk and scored against Argentina in the shootout in Brazil 2014

For me the best penalty takers are Lewy, Robben and Vidal and probably James.

So at this moment it should be

1. Lewandowski
2. Vidal
3. Robben
4. James
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Re: 2017/18 Tactics & Formations Thread

Postby aterford » Mon Jul 17, 2017 12:07 am

For me it's:

1. Lewandowski
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10. Everyone else
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Re: 2017/18 Tactics & Formations Thread

Postby dambun » Mon Jul 17, 2017 5:56 am

ramsej84 wrote:Vs Bremen we were kinda wingerless...

It seems as if in Carlo's tactical plans, the "wing"ing responsibilities is mostly on the fullbacks' shoulders, rather than the wide attacking midfielders'. That is probably why we opted to replace Costa with James, which is a creative attacking midfielder and not a speedy winger.
And that is how I expect our tactical approach to evolve during this season. We'll probably rely more on through balls and combinations from the middle of the pitch. That is, unless both Alaba and Kimmich improve significantly in their overlap+cross duties.
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Re: 2017/18 Tactics & Formations Thread

Postby dambun » Mon Jul 17, 2017 6:02 am

YlonenXabi wrote:So at this moment it should be

1. Lewandowski
2. Vidal
3. Robben
4. James


During the old days, when the German players were technically not so gifted but mentally very strong, we had a lot of defensive players, e.g. CBs and CDMs who used to be very good penalty takers. I wonder how is it with the likes of Hummels nowadays. I hope a few of them also step up this season and take responsibility.

I'm tired of not having very reliable penalty takers. We are a German club after all!
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Re: 2017/18 Tactics & Formations Thread

Postby sherpthederp » Mon Jul 17, 2017 6:33 am

dambun wrote:
ramsej84 wrote:Vs Bremen we were kinda wingerless...

It seems as if in Carlo's tactical plans, the "wing"ing responsibilities is mostly on the fullbacks' shoulders, rather than the wide attacking midfielders'. That is probably why we opted to replace Costa with James, which is a creative attacking midfielder and not a speedy winger.
And that is how I expect our tactical approach to evolve during this season. We'll probably rely more on through balls and combinations from the middle of the pitch. That is, unless both Alaba and Kimmich improve significantly in their overlap+cross duties.

Alabas crossing ability seems to have completely disappeared, but man can Kimmich whip in crosses and weighted balls from the outside of the pitch. He was the most exciting player in the entire Confed cup for me, simply because whenever he had any time on the ball in the half space or on the wing, there was a threat of a long ball getting dropped right on someone's head in the box. The kid was lethal...
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Re: 2017/18 Tactics & Formations Thread

Postby dambun » Mon Jul 17, 2017 11:07 am

Regarding Kimmich, the kid has many great footballing qualities, topped by great attitude and mentality. The only thing that makes me skeptic about his success as a fullback is that he does not seem to possess the speed/acceleration needed to get past quality fullbacks and cross the ball in. I guess we'll have to wait and see whether he will be able to compensate for that using his intelligence on the pitch, during the upcoming season.

Alaba, on the other hand, has all qualities needed to excel on that role. He simply needs to work on his crosses much more. He also often simply waits for too long, whenever he gets past a defender, and often misses on the very crucial time-window to provide a decisive pass to his teammates.
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Re: 2017/18 Tactics & Formations Thread

Postby Bentonomo » Mon Jul 17, 2017 6:14 pm

dambun wrote:Regarding Kimmich, the kid has many great footballing qualities, topped by great attitude and mentality. The only thing that makes me skeptic about his success as a fullback is that he does not seem to possess the speed/acceleration needed to get past quality fullbacks and cross the ball in. I guess we'll have to wait and see whether he will be able to compensate for that using his intelligence on the pitch, during the upcoming season.

Alaba, on the other hand, has all qualities needed to excel on that role. He simply needs to work on his crosses much more. He also often simply waits for too long, whenever he gets past a defender, and often misses on the very crucial time-window to provide a decisive pass to his teammates.


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