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Re: 2016/17 Tactics & Formations Thread

Postby nm462272 » Thu May 11, 2017 2:46 pm

Coman wrote:
nm462272 wrote:so we've been circling the drain on this topic, but this summer is the perfect chance for Bayern to evolve away from the 4-2-3-1/ 4-3-3. Robben and Ribery, paired with Alaba and Lahm, made the 4-2-3-1 a given for years, but trying to replicate that now with new players? Doesn't really make sense... I've mentioned it before, but here is how I think we should line-up next season

-----------------Neuer------------------
-----Hummels-Martinez-Boateng----
Kimmich---Rudy---Thiago----Alaba
-----------------Müller-----------------
-----Lewandowski--Alexis-----------

c'mon Carlo... give us that 3-cb formation!


- 3-5-2 no way with Ancelotti
- 3-5-2 with Müller as #10 playmaker ? No way
- Rudy over Vidal ?


i don't see Carlo as an innovator... gotta wait until the next trainer I suppose. That being said, I think it's a huge misfire trying to replicate what e've done in the past. Trying to shoehorn players into a formation will only cause frustration.

Müller, Lewa, and Alexis as interchangeable forwards - Kimmich and Alaba will play wide, with Thiago providing a playmaking role.

Yep - Vidal is a great player, but he's not in my starting XI
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Re: 2016/17 Tactics & Formations Thread

Postby ottackon » Thu May 11, 2017 3:17 pm

nm462272 wrote:so we've been circling the drain on this topic, but this summer is the perfect chance for Bayern to evolve away from the 4-2-3-1/ 4-3-3. Robben and Ribery, paired with Alaba and Lahm, made the 4-2-3-1 a given for years, but trying to replicate that now with new players? Doesn't really make sense... I've mentioned it before, but here is how I think we should line-up next season

-----------------Neuer------------------
-----Hummels-Martinez-Boateng----
Kimmich---Rudy---Thiago----Alaba
-----------------Müller-----------------
-----Lewandowski--Alexis-----------

c'mon Carlo... give us that 3-cb formation!

I completely agree with you dude.

Indeed, with football evolving to the point where defenders can be the fulcrum for launching attacking moves in addition to their traditional duties, the back three is really interesting thanks to the numerical advantage it affords the deepest of deep-lying playmakers: the modern center-back. And the good news is that we have the two best CBs in terms of passing and playmaking. Bayern could really capitalize on the impressive passing range of Hummels and Boateng by having them play direct balls high and wide to the wingbacks or forwards. In bypassing the centre of the field in this way, our two midfielders are less relied upon to be conduits for ball progression, and instead can concentrate on ensuring that the team maintains possession in these high, wide zones by pressing and nipping counter-attacks in the bud.
Furthermore, we could potentially find that with wingbacks Alaba/Bernat and Kimmich/(Semedo?) tasked with providing the width, our traditional wide players would be able to operate in more central zones than was the case in a 4-2-3-1 or a 4-3-3 that Ancelotti had them set up in previously.
In turn, this means that Lewanowski would benefit from greater support, with Alexis and maybe Muller acting more like inside-forwards than touchline-hugging wingers.

One of the main caveats with such a formation is that the two-man central midfield can become overrun and outworked by an opposition lining up with three midfielders. However, With Thiago and Vidal (I still prefer him to Rudy) forming the duo at the heart of the team, Bayern could benefit from having two players much better at pressing and covering distance than average central midfielders.

Another potential flaw of playing with a back three is that the space behind the wingbacks can be exploited when they push forward. But this isn’t much of a problem with Alaba or Bernat on the left. Both have spent much of their career as conventional fullbacks, and rarely negate their defensive duties. On the right side, where Kimmich should be converted from a midfielder into a fullback/wingback, Bayern might need to replace Rafinha with a more athletic and younger wingback/fullback.
And if either wingback gets caught too far up the pitch, they should have some cover from central midfield, too.

The Bottom line is that like every other tactical principle, back-three systems have their flaws. but when you consider defenders as much a part of a team’s offense as its strikers, and you look at our squad's strengths and weaknesses, the back three must be tested in one way or another.
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Re: 2016/17 Tactics & Formations Thread

Postby nm462272 » Thu May 11, 2017 3:26 pm

Perfectly said Ottackon... you explained it much better than i could =D>
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Re: 2016/17 Tactics & Formations Thread

Postby shpati_L1 » Sat May 13, 2017 7:08 pm

I kind of want this.



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Re: 2016/17 Tactics & Formations Thread

Postby Coman » Sat May 13, 2017 10:16 pm

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Bayern 3-3-3-1 build-up under Heynckes :
Neuer - Boateng Hummels Thiago - Kimmich Vidal Alaba - Robben Müller James - Lewandowski
Neuer- Boateng Vidal Hummels- Kimmich Martinez Alaba- Robben James Ribéry- Lewandowski
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Re: 2016/17 Tactics & Formations Thread

Postby mats19 » Sun May 14, 2017 4:05 pm

Coman wrote:Image


Perfect, I would put Javi in Vidal (sold) place..
But your line up is really good, bro
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Re: 2016/17 Tactics & Formations Thread

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Re: 2016/17 Tactics & Formations Thread

Postby FCBayernMunchen » Wed Jun 14, 2017 5:40 pm

I'm curious how Tolisso changes our tactical plan.

We now have: Vidal, Tolisso, Rudy, Thiago, Sanches, (Kimmich), (Martinez) and you could even consider Muller to be in competition with some of them.
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Re: 2016/17 Tactics & Formations Thread

Postby Isabella » Wed Jun 14, 2017 6:55 pm

Looks like Ancelotti will try one of his Milan systems or maybe something with the three man defence...
But I think a 4-3-2-1 or a 4-3-1-2 are still more likely than a 3-4-3 or a 3-5-2...
Robben can play in that systems? And Ribery? (but likely with Ribery fit will be the usual 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3 considering we will have Coman and Gnabry on the bench)
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Re: 2016/17 Tactics & Formations Thread

Postby PunkCapitalist » Wed Jun 14, 2017 6:58 pm

nm462272 wrote:
Coman wrote:
nm462272 wrote:so we've been circling the drain on this topic, but this summer is the perfect chance for Bayern to evolve away from the 4-2-3-1/ 4-3-3. Robben and Ribery, paired with Alaba and Lahm, made the 4-2-3-1 a given for years, but trying to replicate that now with new players? Doesn't really make sense... I've mentioned it before, but here is how I think we should line-up next season

-----------------Neuer------------------
-----Hummels-Martinez-Boateng----
Kimmich---Rudy---Thiago----Alaba
-----------------Müller-----------------
-----Lewandowski--Alexis-----------

c'mon Carlo... give us that 3-cb formation!


- 3-5-2 no way with Ancelotti
- 3-5-2 with Müller as #10 playmaker ? No way
- Rudy over Vidal ?


i don't see Carlo as an innovator... gotta wait until the next trainer I suppose. That being said, I think it's a huge misfire trying to replicate what e've done in the past. Trying to shoehorn players into a formation will only cause frustration.

Müller, Lewa, and Alexis as interchangeable forwards - Kimmich and Alaba will play wide, with Thiago providing a playmaking role.

Yep - Vidal is a great player, but he's not in my starting XI


I like it! Except I would call it a 433, and think we should add a creator alongside Thiago and Javi. Alas, it seems the board doesn't think that way. I guess I'll be happy with the same but Tolisso or Vidal alongside Thiago and Javi.


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Re: 2016/17 Tactics & Formations Thread

Postby nm462272 » Wed Jun 14, 2017 7:03 pm

@Punk - based on who Bayern currently have signed today, my new formation:

-----------------Neuer------------------
-----Hummels-Martinez-Boateng----
Kimmich--Tolisso---Thiago----Alaba
-----------------Müller------------------
--------Robben-------Lewandowski---
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Re: 2016/17 Tactics & Formations Thread

Postby YlonenXabi » Wed Jun 14, 2017 11:47 pm

With this signings and Ancelotti's un-innovative methods I feel like we will play 4-3-3 with Thiago, Tolisso and Vidal as main starters and Rudy and Renato Sanches as backups. Kimmich and Martinez seem to be out of question for the midfield positions.

And I'm not sure about Müller's role in the team with those tactics.




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Kimmich------Boateng--Hummels------Alaba
----------------------Thiago----------------------
-------------Tolisso----------Vidal---------------

Robben------------------------------------Alexis?
------------------Lewandowski------------------
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Re: 2016/17 Tactics & Formations Thread

Postby SrLuisGuilherme » Thu Jun 15, 2017 12:19 am

Tolisso and Vidal won't play together, methinks...
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Re: 2016/17 Tactics & Formations Thread

Postby SrLuisGuilherme » Thu Jun 15, 2017 12:20 am

Felix Götze and him... 3 men defense anyone?
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Re: 2016/17 Tactics & Formations Thread

Postby ramsej84 » Fri Jun 16, 2017 10:33 am

what do you guys think about this... ? similar to what RBL use...





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