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Re: 2015/16 Tactics & Formations Thread

Postby SBash22 » Sun Jul 12, 2015 10:37 pm

PunkCapitalist wrote:I know this is an unpopular opinion, but I'm just tired of Rafinha starting all the time. There's nothing wrong with him, he's been solid, but our X11 is usually 10 world-class players + Rafinha...


Thats not unpopular at all.... I think thats how the majority of people think on this board

same goes for Bernat.... nothing against him.... he's a good player

but Alaba and Lahm are 2 of the best LBs and RBs in the world..... why slide them inside where he already have a bunch of talented players, which makes us weaker outside with Rafinha/Bernat instead

I dont think Alaba/Lahm need to start every game out there..... but it wouldnt hurt to rotate those guys around and not have Rafinha/Bernat automatically first choice and starting
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Re: 2015/16 Tactics & Formations Thread

Postby MUTU » Tue Jul 14, 2015 8:46 am

I'd go with this if everyone was fit:



And Mueller as super-sub.
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Re: 2015/16 Tactics & Formations Thread

Postby ramsej84 » Tue Jul 14, 2015 8:52 am

MUTU wrote:I'd go with this if everyone was fit:



And Mueller as super-sub.


Mueller sub...?
Why not either one of Robbery for that role???
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Re: 2015/16 Tactics & Formations Thread

Postby MUTU » Tue Jul 14, 2015 9:01 am

ramsej84 wrote:
MUTU wrote:I'd go with this if everyone was fit:



And Mueller as super-sub.


Mueller sub...?
Why not either one of Robbery for that role???

It depends on how Ribery looks after coming back from injury. Robben needs to play on the RW and Ribery has consistently played better than Mueller as a left winger so far.
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Re: 2015/16 Tactics & Formations Thread

Postby Badger » Tue Jul 14, 2015 9:05 am

MUTU wrote:I'd go with this if everyone was fit:



And Mueller as super-sub.


It Pep's teams it is rarely about 11 players. That said, I'd also like to see something close to that formation. My main change would be to give Alaba a chance at the centre of midfield, where I think he has more to offer than Martinez has.
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Re: 2015/16 Tactics & Formations Thread

Postby MUTU » Tue Jul 14, 2015 9:08 am

^ I feel if Bernat would start, the first casualty would be Badstuber not Martinez.
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Re: 2015/16 Tactics & Formations Thread

Postby ramsej84 » Tue Jul 14, 2015 9:41 am

Badger wrote:
MUTU wrote:I'd go with this if everyone was fit:



And Mueller as super-sub.


It Pep's teams it is rarely about 11 players. That said, I'd also like to see something close to that formation. My main change would be to give Alaba a chance at the centre of midfield, where I think he has more to offer than Martinez has.


and who will offer cover for our defence ?
To play with a light weight midfield like that it is suicidal IMHO
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Re: 2015/16 Tactics & Formations Thread

Postby Badger » Tue Jul 14, 2015 9:43 am

MUTU wrote:^ I feel if Bernat would start, the first casualty would be Badstuber not Martinez.


Possibly. I'm speculating, of course, but I feel that a fit Badstuber could command a starting spot. Indeed, he is probably the best leader in the defensive line, has showed the most consistent concentration, is fast (clocked at near striker speed a couple of years ago) and has a long passing accuracy almost as good as that of Kroos and Alonso. I think Bayern have suffered from lack of pace in central/defensive midfield under Guardiola, because his tactics require those players to patrol a lot of space, and I don't think Martinez will excel there.
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Re: 2015/16 Tactics & Formations Thread

Postby Badger » Tue Jul 14, 2015 9:49 am

ramsej84 wrote:
and who will offer cover for our defence ?
To play with a light weight midfield like that it is suicidal IMHO


Have another glance and think about it a bit longer.

To describe that midfield as lightweight is a superficial assessment of it. Those players are the fastest three players Bayern are likely to be able to field there, all capable of high work rates, tracking opponents well and performing incisive tackles.
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Re: 2015/16 Tactics & Formations Thread

Postby albanian7 » Tue Jul 14, 2015 9:59 am

Badger wrote:
ramsej84 wrote:
and who will offer cover for our defence ?
To play with a light weight midfield like that it is suicidal IMHO


Have another glance and think about it a bit longer.

To describe that midfield as lightweight is a superficial assessment of it. Those players are the fastest three players Bayern are likely to be able to field there, all capable of high work rates, tracking opponents well and performing incisive tackles.


Lahm isn't fast. After his injury, he was snail-paced

But Pep has played with an ever more light-weight midfield in Barcelona so maybe he thinks he can pull that off here too. Not that I think he has a chance to do that
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Re: 2015/16 Tactics & Formations Thread

Postby Badger » Tue Jul 14, 2015 10:38 am

albanian7 wrote:
Badger wrote:
ramsej84 wrote:
and who will offer cover for our defence ?
To play with a light weight midfield like that it is suicidal IMHO


Have another glance and think about it a bit longer.

To describe that midfield as lightweight is a superficial assessment of it. Those players are the fastest three players Bayern are likely to be able to field there, all capable of high work rates, tracking opponents well and performing incisive tackles.


Lahm isn't fast. After his injury, he was snail-paced

But Pep has played with an ever more light-weight midfield in Barcelona so maybe he thinks he can pull that off here too. Not that I think he has a chance to do that


True. Lahm hasn't been as fast since his injury. And he was never the fastest either, but was previously fast enough that pace was never regarded as an issue. Until we see how well his pace recovers, I'd feel more comfortable with Alaba than Martinez in the centre beside him. I don't think moving him back to right back will be a solution either - not at his age. And he can't be dropped.
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Re: 2015/16 Tactics & Formations Thread

Postby moimoi » Tue Jul 14, 2015 10:53 am

he doesnt seem to be as confident as before the injury. he's never had many injuries. now he prolly cant estimate his body which has worked like a machine for years. with psychological help he should be as good as before.
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Re: 2015/16 Tactics & Formations Thread

Postby albanian7 » Tue Jul 14, 2015 10:56 am

I don't thing he needs psychological help. He needs a big slap to start taking the game seriously again, because he was frustrating to watch in many matches after his injury. He needs to be Sammered-up ... but that's not an easy thing to do when the other captain just left and the coach is in love with him
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Re: 2015/16 Tactics & Formations Thread

Postby moimoi » Tue Jul 14, 2015 11:18 am

i work in HR. and from my experience a "big slap" usually isnt the thing people need. maybe in albania people are different.
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Re: 2015/16 Tactics & Formations Thread

Postby albanian7 » Tue Jul 14, 2015 11:22 am

moimoi wrote:i work in HR. and from my experience a "big slap" usually isnt the thing people need. maybe in albania people are different.


But how can you say the captain, a 31 y.o. player who has went through everything a player can go through and who is supposed to be the one motivating the team when they're feeling low, is allowed to stop caring about the game and stay in middle of the pitch like dead weight in 5 consecutive matches?
Apart from the 45 minutes against Porto, when he and Thiago were the reasons we scored 5 goals, he was not his usual self. Even in that particular match, the small "rift" with Pep on pitch was very unusual for a player that almost never lost his calmness - not when he got carded unfairly, not when an opponent kicked him, not when he conceded, never.
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