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Re: Official generic tactics thread

Postby Element » Sat Mar 13, 2010 3:58 pm

shileno wrote: I'm sorry but it's true. It's like, take half Tymo and half Kroos, and you get Schweini.

why are u sorry

it is true , But Schweinsteiger cant BE A PLAIN CAM

and we saw that at the beginning of this season, 20 minutes Great , 70 minutes TOTAL SUCKER

so Schweinsteiger Next To Tymoschuk as CDM is better than Schweinsteiger next to kroos as CAM

Although the best thing would be like this (exactly like our 2 CMs Work now when both are palying Correctly not ultra super hyper defense)

-----------------------------tymoschuk-----------------
-------------------------------------------Schweinsteiger
------------------------------Kroos
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Re: Official generic tactics thread

Postby Element » Sun Mar 14, 2010 1:47 pm

Yesterday , i was thinking of some weird formations to play with next season if ribery leaves (Because if ribery stays we only have the 4-3-3 or 4-4-2 classic)

I hope that ribery stays
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however , i came up with A 3-5-2 Formation That could be great and cheap for our board

Ribery goes for 50 mio euros

MVB goes

Altintop Goes

Boateng comes for 12 mio euros

we Either Keep Tymoschuk , or Sign (Hamsik or Fellaini for 25 mio euros)

We Either Keep Butt or Sign Neuer,Adler for 18-21 mio euros


The Total of those 3 will cost around the 50 mio euros (we got those from Ribery)

and we surely can afford The Salaries of Those players

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And we play like this (3-5-2)

-----------------------------Butt*----------------------------
------------Boateng-----Van Buyten---Badstuber-------------
-------------Tymoschuk**----------Schweinsteiger----------
Robben--------------------------------------------------Lahm
-----------------------------Kroos--------------------------------
------------------Klose---------------Gomez----------------


*Or A New Goalkeeper

**Or Sign Hamsik or Fellaini (as CDM/CM)
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Re: Official generic tactics thread

Postby YlonenXabi » Sun Mar 14, 2010 2:07 pm

Lahm won't play good in that position
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Re: Official generic tactics thread

Postby Element » Sun Mar 14, 2010 2:09 pm

YlonenXabi wrote:Lahm won't play good in that position

Lahm as LM would be same as Lahm as LB

but with more offensive duties
Because i hate LAhm's Super Defensive acts lately
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Re: Official generic tactics thread

Postby FCBayernMunchen » Sun Mar 14, 2010 2:21 pm

Nah, I don't think Lahm would be that good. Besides, even with Tymo and Schweini, I still feel that it is risky to play with 3 defenders.
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Re: Official generic tactics thread

Postby Element » Sun Mar 14, 2010 2:27 pm

FCBayernMunchen wrote:Nah, I don't think Lahm would be that good. Besides, even with Tymo and Schweini, I still feel that it is risky to play with 3 defenders.

it was just a suggestion
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Re: Official generic tactics thread

Postby sch0ll7 » Sat Mar 20, 2010 1:10 am

Really dont know how will we fit all the players when Kroos comes back...

Either our board is thinking of selling Ribery or making MVB a substitute.

Ribery, Robben, Schweini and Muller will play 100%

So either we play

.............Schweini....Kroos..........
..Robben......Muller.........RIbery....
.................Gomez................


...........MVB......Schweini..........
Robben.......Kroos............Ribery
................Muller..................


.............Mvb.......................
........Kroos.....Schweini..........
.Robben........................Ribery
................Muller.................

all three seem weird:) because 1 of those [gomez, Mvb] will play and cant be left out if you ask me at this moment...maybe something changes in the summer
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Re: Official generic tactics thread

Postby Element » Sat Mar 27, 2010 6:42 pm

I Guess we all can see that The classic instructional football way does not work with our team

(Midfielders Give the pass to the strikers , and the strikers score)

This did not work here a single time , even our big wins were not like this


we should switch to a 4-3-3 with 2 cdms and 1 cm

----------------------------------------Butt------------------------------------------
Lahm----------------------Van Buyten-----Badstuber--------------------Contento
----------------------------Van Bommel----Tymoschuk-----------------------------
-----------------------------------Schweinsteiger------------------------------------

Robben----------------------------------Olic-------------------------------Ribery



We paly like the following

1-Total Football and the instructional one (Defenders win the ball . midfielders give the ball to wingers or striekrs , Wingers dribble and cross , and The Strikers score)

BECAUSE WE SUCK IN THAT

2-No HIGH passes , even the long passes or Crosses should be low , with focusing on short pass

3-Give The team the freedom to shoot from outside the box , We have Schweinsteiger , Tymoschuk,van bommel , Robben , ribery and Lahm , those guys are great in that

4- Ribery , Olic and robben always running and switching positions

5-The player Who can score should score , No real Forward or Striker

6-When any midfielder or Forward Gets injured or can play , Start Muller instead of him

*When Kroos Comes Back , Bench MVB or Tymoschuk ,Put Schweinsteiger as CDM , and Start kroos as CM/CAM

*This management gets valid only If Ribery Stays , if Ribery leaves , Keeping or changing this formation depends on the Ribery replacement

E.G.
-if we Sign Zhirkov,Ozil,Hamsik,Diego, Gourcuff ,Van Der Vaart , Arda Turan , this formation will not Work

-If we Sign Luis Suarez , Krasic , Hazard ,Elia,Van Persie or ,Marin This formation will work
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Re: Official generic tactics thread

Postby shileno » Sat Mar 27, 2010 7:12 pm

We lack of this. Check specially the first goal, awesome control and accuracy, we need that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lYyKlg02Tk

And this. Check specially the goal at the 2:00 minute. When was the last time we did a goal like that one? One touch, speed, accuracy in the opponent area, we need that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aplJQFQejOc

It's not about formations, it's about what we do in the enemy area. It's always the same, bad/average pass to Gomez/Klose/Olic/Muller and then lose it.
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Re: Official generic tactics thread

Postby Element » Sat Mar 27, 2010 7:21 pm

I Know , but turning MVB to a top passer like diego is impossible

or Making Gomez A World class ball controller is hard

so if we cant change our players , we can Change the formation so that We Don't have to use things that our players Sadly SUCK IN

(I made this formation so that we solve the 2 problems u have mentioned , especially the striker ball control problem)
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Re: Official generic tactics thread

Postby shileno » Sat Mar 27, 2010 8:00 pm

The best solution without spending money is taking out MVB and working a midfield with Tymo+Schweini+Kroos or Schweini+Kroos+Muller.
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Re: Official generic tactics thread

Postby Element » Sat Mar 27, 2010 8:07 pm

shileno wrote:The best solution without spending money is taking out MVB

Like This is going to happen

and i like this one (I have said that in my formation post as a note)

shileno wrote:Tymo+Schweini+Kroos
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Re: Official generic tactics thread

Postby FCBayernMunchen » Sun Mar 28, 2010 8:02 am

I think Element's suggestion could work. At least we will become more unpredictable in the enemy's area. Maybe we will see that against Man Utd, with Muller replacing Schweini, Olic replacing Robben, and Klose as CF?

I don't think it will be our long-term plan though, because Muller will always play. Although we could use MVB+Schweini with Muller in front of them I suppose...
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Re: Official generic tactics thread

Postby Aequitas1987 » Sun Mar 28, 2010 1:00 pm

Yeah we need to play three through the center now that Robben might not play. We are predictable from the wings because there is no linkup play between Ribery/Robben and our center. Its all or nothing for Robbery. The only little link up we have is between Robbery and the Strikers. So with Robbery either being unfit or injured its best that we employ three CM/CDM's.
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Re: Official generic tactics thread

Postby dambun » Mon Apr 12, 2010 11:08 am

I really like your formation of destruction Element
Except I prefer Micho to Mexes... and I sell Tymo, and bring Kacar.
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