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Re: English football

Postby Dumbledore7 » Wed Sep 21, 2016 3:49 pm

Except this is not a matter of romance where the only basis of everything is mutual trust. These are professionals with real contracts and salaries for god's sake.

A better example is if MUTU tells me he's appointing me to be a mod next month, after he fires FCBayernMunchen (obviously not gonna happen...just saying), who is one of my favourite people on this forum by the way. Why should I apologise to the latter?
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Re: English football

Postby JANCKER » Wed Sep 21, 2016 3:56 pm

Dumbledore7 wrote:Except this is not a matter of romance where the only basis of everything is mutual trust. These are professionals with real contracts and salaries for god's sake.

A better example is if MUTU tells me he's appointing me to be a mod next month, after he fires FCBayernMunchen (obviously not gonna happen...just saying), who is one of my favourite people on this forum by the way. Why should I apologise to the latter?


You being promoted to a mod doesn't mean taking someone else's job... there can be only one manager in a football club.

But what if you were negotiating behind FCBayernMunchen's back with MUTU... and you would be aware that it means taking FCBayernMunchen's job? FCBayernMunchen just extended the contract in the summer and isn't expecting that... Wouldn't you feel a bit guilty?
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Postby FCBayernMunchen » Wed Sep 21, 2016 4:39 pm

Dumbledore7 wrote:Except this is not a matter of romance where the only basis of everything is mutual trust. These are professionals with real contracts and salaries for god's sake.

A better example is if MUTU tells me he's appointing me to be a mod next month, after he fires FCBayernMunchen (obviously not gonna happen...just saying), who is one of my favourite people on this forum by the way. Why should I apologise to the latter?


I wouldn't expect it but I would bear ill will towards MUTU, which is exactly the point. :P


Appreciate the compliment btw :cheers:

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Re: English football

Postby Dumbledore7 » Wed Sep 21, 2016 4:42 pm

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Dumbledore7 wrote:Except this is not a matter of romance where the only basis of everything is mutual trust. These are professionals with real contracts and salaries for god's sake.

A better example is if MUTU tells me he's appointing me to be a mod next month, after he fires FCBayernMunchen (obviously not gonna happen...just saying), who is one of my favourite people on this forum by the way. Why should I apologise to the latter?


You being promoted to a mod doesn't mean taking someone else's job... there can be only one manager in a football club.

But what if you were negotiating behind FCBayernMunchen's back with MUTU... and you would be aware that it means taking FCBayernMunchen's job? FCBayernMunchen just extended the contract in the summer and isn't expecting that... Wouldn't you feel a bit guilty?

I really wouldn't.
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Re: English football

Postby JANCKER » Wed Sep 21, 2016 4:47 pm

I was in a situation where they wanted to fire someone in order to hire me... but I insisted to not do that... I felt like that man needed the job more than me... didn't know him that good, but I heard his story.
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Re: English football

Postby Dumbledore7 » Wed Sep 21, 2016 5:09 pm

Good for you to be honest, but no way you can expect sentiments to play a part in the majority of cases - particularly at high-profile positions. Not less when it's not a case of "who needed the job more" as opposed to "who the employer wants to hire and who he doesn't".
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Re: English football

Postby FCBayernMunchen » Wed Sep 21, 2016 5:33 pm

It's worth pointing out that we did the exact same thing.
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Re: English football

Postby #12 » Wed Sep 21, 2016 5:35 pm

Yes, they're professionals... Still, it's a matter of style... Coaches like Klopp or Heynckes would never do that... It's common decency and a matter of pronciples, which I respect... Just because they're professionals doesn't mean they have to be **** assholes...
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Re: English football

Postby Dumbledore7 » Wed Sep 21, 2016 5:40 pm

#12 wrote:Yes, they're professionals... Still, it's a matter of style... Coaches like Klopp or Heynckes would never do that... It's common decency and a matter of pronciples, which I respect... Just because they're professionals doesn't mean they have to be **** assholes...


I consider you a really intelligent and reasonable person, this post is anything but.

"Klopp and Heynckes would never do that"

Do what? Mourinho and Pep did nothing.
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Re: English football

Postby #12 » Wed Sep 21, 2016 5:46 pm

Negotiating with a club that still has a coach? While the other coach still has to finish that season? In Pellegrini's case start it first, and constantly live with soccer's worst kept secret EVER? How is that nothing? I'm sorry, but it's pretty obviois to me they DID something... You might think it's chicken feed... And while there's no rule against it, I don't think morale and ethics should be **** with, just because it's professional soccer... Not only the players should be blamed because of their role-model status when acting immorally or wrong...
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Re: English football

Postby Dumbledore7 » Wed Sep 21, 2016 6:08 pm

You're telling me as if Pep came up to City and asked for a job.

Even so, you're saying clubs should actually talk to new managers AFTER the previous manager had left? How can someone like you who has a career believe that so naively? Football clubs (you know, massive healthy bussinesses) hiring personnel on an impulse basis, really?

You can't possibly believe Liverpool fired Rodgers on impulse and then reacted with the hiring of Klopp, right? You sure Liverpool didn't have any contact with Klopp before, and Klopp signed the contract after only thinking about it for 4 days (the period between Rogers' sacking and Klopp's signing)? Do you believe in fairytales too?
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Re: English football

Postby #12 » Wed Sep 21, 2016 6:14 pm

Well, they sure seem to be firing them on an impulse basis, aren't they?! ;)
I honestly believe Klopp didn't start negotiating before... Maybe a loose request to his manager for confirmation if he could imagine to coach them...
Remember that Tuchel had basically signed for HSV (thus relegating the **** ) and changed his mind within about 1-2 hours?

But that's not even the only thing... Giardiola kept his current club in the dark and was reportedly fierce that Pellegrini came out with the truth... I think that's very low... At least he could've put the cards on the table...
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Re: English football

Postby Dumbledore7 » Wed Sep 21, 2016 6:20 pm

http://www.thisisanfield.com/2015/10/de ... ire-klopp/

Factually, incorrect.


And forget Pep's thing with us (I hated that too), but coming back to the initial point of discussion, the **** should he apologise to Pellegrini for?
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Re: English football

Postby #12 » Wed Sep 21, 2016 6:24 pm

I don't know what that article is supposed to prove

But I agree, he needn't apologize... Factually, he did nothing wrong... Just annoying he's always displayed as this correct, straightforward, worldly gentleman, when in fact he's not...
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Re: English football

Postby JANCKER » Wed Sep 21, 2016 6:32 pm

Btw Mou blamed LvG for his losses...

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