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Re: English football

Postby sherpthederp » Wed Jun 08, 2016 2:21 am

Perfectly stated.
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Re: English football

Postby itisrising » Wed Jun 08, 2016 2:30 am

PunkCapitalist wrote:
itisrising wrote:
PunkCapitalist wrote:Damn I hate the English -and specially Shitty- and marketing more than ever. They are tearing the Bundesliga apart. All thanks to hype they don't deserve. In single brush they are erasing all that Dortmund had achieved and they are leaving us without any competition (which *will* hurt us more than do us good).

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If you're so concerned, why don't you loan them back Lewa, Gotze and Hummels?

There's nothing wrong with what we're doing with Auba - we're offering them money and they have the chance to accept/reject. We're not putting their backs against the wall. If anyone is weakening the Bundesliga, it's Bayern that are buying the Dortmund players which has the double benefit of hurting Dortmund and then strengthening Bayern.

I did not say you did anything wrong. Looting Dortmund is the wisest thing Guardiola could do for that team of yours. BVB were the third best possession team last season, which makes their players ideal for your rebuild.

What I said is that I hate your league, team and marketing (as a general concept). I say I hate marketing because all that money the EPL is getting is completely underserved. It's based on a false sense of quality. "Best league in the world" my ass. Sure the football quality standard is bound to improve thanks to the new influx of quality managers, but the fact is, that huge new TV deal (absurd on all accounts) was won in a period in which the football qualify was utter shit. It is unfair that teams which have been playing exciting football while dealing smartly in the transfer markets and remaining financially sane, are set to be overrun by the Oily McDonalds of England.

Bayern earned it's money and status, unlike the British ping-pong clubs.

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It's the "best" league in the world because it's the most entertaining. Bundesliga isn't as entertaining when you can be pretty sure who is going to win it. Moreover, fans seem way more passionate over here; "smallish" clubs have a big fanbase which helps matches seem bigger and increases demand for it. English football seems to have more drama in general. In my opinion, it can be classed as unfair that you took Dortmund's three best players. Now you can claim that it wasn't the fact that you were 'Oily McDonalds of Germany' that validates it but it is the act which is unfair not the means you use to achieve it. And when you talk about Bayern, are you denying the fact that your TV revenue is greater than every other Bundesliga side? What does it mean to 'earn' money in that case?
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Re: English football

Postby DerKaiser » Wed Jun 08, 2016 2:45 am

Cant blame the EPL for trying to be the most watched league in the world? Blame the DFL for not being informed of the intentions of the EPL, not trying to react accordingly and not perceiving it as a competition amongst leagues. The DFL probably needs new management , more influx of cash and of course better marketing.
In the end though us the end purchaser may/will suffer (Long live the net pirates! and pub life!)
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Re: English football

Postby PunkCapitalist » Wed Jun 08, 2016 2:56 am

DerKaiser wrote:Cant blame the EPL for trying to be the most watched league in the world? Blame the DFL for not being informed of the intentions of the EPL, not trying to react accordingly and not perceiving it as a competition amongst leagues. The DFL probably needs new management , more influx of cash and of course better marketing.
In the end though us the end purchaser may/will suffer (Long live the net pirates! and pub life!)

It don't blame either. I blame the mindless people who would rather watch Westham and Shitty ping-pong a ball in the air for 90 minutes without any sense of a plan, than a fantastic match between any of Bayern, Dortmund, Leverkusen, Gladbach, Schalke, et al.

I like beer a lot, so I like using it as an example to explain this. It is incredible to me that people would rather drink dirty water (eg Coors Light, Bud Light) than a 100 times better craft IPA (or whatever). The latter is so absolutely (almost objectively) better than the former, and yet the big bucks are made by the Buds of the world. In the beer market that's mostly irrelevant, because the there's plenty of raw materials to satisfy demand for both type of beer's production, but in football it is highly relevant because raw materials (players) are much more scarce and demand for them is rival.

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Re: English football

Postby Dumbledore7 » Wed Jun 08, 2016 3:09 am

itisrising wrote:And when you talk about Bayern, are you denying the fact that your TV revenue is greater than every other Bundesliga side? What does it mean to 'earn' money in that case?

Sorry, I don't think you know what you're talking about. If you were thinking of La Liga and we were Barcelona instead of Bayern, you'd be right. Look.

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As you can see it's about € 1m difference between one club and the next. Hardly a difference maker to a club revenue, in fact we're by far the fairest league in that regard. Meanwhile, the worst tinpot English clubs are earning double of Bayern's revenue. When you put it in that perspective it's hard not to think the money English clubs earned from TV deals is undeserved. It's nothing to do with the ethical or moral behaviour of clubs which you keep trying to argue with, it's so far from the point PunkCapitalist has been making and I don't think you understand it.
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Re: English football

Postby pyrasur » Wed Jun 08, 2016 4:05 am

PunkCapitalist wrote:
DerKaiser wrote:Cant blame the EPL for trying to be the most watched league in the world? Blame the DFL for not being informed of the intentions of the EPL, not trying to react accordingly and not perceiving it as a competition amongst leagues. The DFL probably needs new management , more influx of cash and of course better marketing.
In the end though us the end purchaser may/will suffer (Long live the net pirates! and pub life!)

It don't blame either. I blame the mindless people who would rather watch Westham and Shitty ping-pong a ball in the air for 90 minutes without any sense of a plan, than a fantastic match between any of Bayern, Dortmund, Leverkusen, Gladbach, Schalke, et al.

I like beer a lot, so I like using it as an example to explain this. It is incredible to me that people would rather drink dirty water (eg Coors Light, Bud Light) than a 100 times better craft IPA (or whatever). The latter is so absolutely (almost objectively) better than the former, and yet the big bucks are made by the Buds of the world. In the beer market that's mostly irrelevant, because the there's plenty of raw materials to satisfy demand for both type of beer's production, but in football it is highly relevant because raw materials (players) are much more scarce and demand for them is rival.

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Re: English football

Postby pyrasur » Wed Jun 08, 2016 5:40 am

Unfortunately, to expand on the metaphor, people don't get high life because it's the champagne of beers. Well unless they are hicks that think being ignorant is cool anyway. We get it because craft beer is expensive, has high search costs, and because I don't turn down cheap beer.

I used to be surprised, now I am more bemused every time I watch people bitch about the DFL allowing the EPL to be more marketable, and then bitch anytime the DFL tries to do anything about it.


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Re: English football

Postby Lukas » Wed Jun 08, 2016 8:27 am

The fans are more passionate? They must be very bad at showing it then and I say that even as a fan of an English club, the atmosphere at the KC, like most English grounds, is terrible
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Re: English football

Postby FCBayernMunchen » Wed Jun 08, 2016 11:37 am

itisrising wrote:There's nothing wrong with what we're doing with Auba - we're offering them money and they have the chance to accept/reject. We're not putting their backs against the wall. If anyone is weakening the Bundesliga, it's Bayern that are buying the Dortmund players which has the double benefit of hurting Dortmund and then strengthening Bayern.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

"we're offering them money and they have the chance to accept/reject. We're not putting their backs against the wall."

What did Uli/Sammer do, point a pistol to Watzke's head? :lol: If anything we gave them over 70 million for 2 players, which is more than can be said for most of their sales. It's their fault they refused our Lewandowski offer and let him go for free.
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Re: English football

Postby FCBayernMunchen » Wed Jun 08, 2016 11:39 am

itisrising wrote:Moreover, fans seem way more passionate over here

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Re: English football

Postby Kovacic » Wed Jun 08, 2016 12:01 pm

Bayern buying Dormund players isn't that bad for German Football, if we didnt buy Hummels Lewa or Gotze they would go either in Spain or England. At least they stay here to entertain the fans and to win titles for a German Club. I hope Borussia Dormund wins some International Competitions so they can be accepted abroad as a top club simmilar to Athletico . Then they could keep their players and whole BL would get more money from broadcasting.

Now as it is, lets just say we save BL talents from foreign leagues.

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Re: English football

Postby #12 » Wed Jun 08, 2016 9:04 pm

Unfair... We are still one of few European sides with half a homegrown starting XI... And Hummels was brought up here... Götze is shit right now... We really only took Lewa... And he was a free agent...
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Re: English football

Postby kofta » Thu Jun 09, 2016 12:51 am

itisrising wrote:There's nothing wrong with what we're doing with Auba - we're offering them money and they have the chance to accept/reject. We're not putting their backs against the wall. If anyone is weakening the Bundesliga, it's Bayern that are buying the Dortmund players which has the double benefit of hurting Dortmund and then strengthening Bayern.

itisrising wrote:In my opinion, it can be classed as unfair that you took Dortmund's three best players.

Not this sh*t again...

In every one of those 3 situations, both the team AND the player had the chance to accept/reject and chances are that the deal would have fallen through if either the team or the player rejected

The hypocrisy is great with this one...
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Re: English football

Postby pyrasur » Thu Jun 09, 2016 3:44 am

There's nothing wrong with what City are doing. It's a shame Dortmund players are leaving a great sporting team, but this is business. We did it and I see no difference when another club recognizes the talent that we do. It would be a bit hypocritical if anyone from our fan base is criticizing City for seeking great players, and if any of us are critical it's probably sadness that a great German team is losing its players. Either that or simple bitterness at our previous manager. Not much you can do about that one but shrug and move on.

But I in no way judge a player for moving for a better wage, even if it is departing a great sporting team for a lesser one ;)
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Re: English football

Postby avirano » Thu Jun 09, 2016 11:55 am

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