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Re: Spanish football

Postby ramsej84 » Thu Oct 31, 2013 6:45 pm

In 2006 he was 19 yrs old...

As for the Nat team I think you are right but his antagonist doesn't do much better ...
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Re: Spanish football

Postby MUTU » Thu Oct 31, 2013 6:46 pm

ramsej84 wrote:In 2006 he was 19 yrs old...

As for the Nat team I think you are right but his antagonist doesn't do much better ...

Please let's discuss this topic on the comments section of the blog article. If you post it there I will answer you :)
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Re: Spanish football

Postby Borusse » Thu Oct 31, 2013 7:09 pm

FCBayernMunchen wrote:That's what makes him a better player. But as far as magic solo moments are concerned, Ronaldo is ahead of Messi for me.


Have you ever seen Messi's best goals? Like when he dribbles past 4-5 players and scores? What Ronaldo does is score beautiful distance goals but he never was as good of a dribbler as Messi. For me its more magic to make your way through the defenders, not make one touch that goes into to top corner of the goal.

As for Messi's national team - in the WC2014 qualifiers he scored 10 goals in 14 games for Argentina...
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Re: Spanish football

Postby FCBayernMunchen » Thu Oct 31, 2013 8:33 pm

Ronaldo scores beautiful goals more often though. And it''s also a matter of preference. While it varies from case to case, I tend to prefer long distance goals.

As for the NT yeah, Messi seems to have improved. We'll see whether he gives similar performances at the WC, although to be fair he'll need the players around him to play well as well, especially against the big teams.
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Re: Spanish football

Postby MoFattal » Fri Nov 01, 2013 12:00 pm

Guys, this whole Messi-Ronaldo argument is pointless and makes you look like 10 year old fanboys, so knock it off :|
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Re: Spanish football

Postby quaazi » Fri Nov 01, 2013 12:06 pm

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Re: Spanish football

Postby YlonenXabi » Fri Nov 01, 2013 12:49 pm

Messi a choker? :shock: wtf !!!!!!! Both Messi and Ronaldo always step up in big games.

I think there are two key factors here:

1- Big games are NOT only finals
2- Even if you don't score that doesn't mean you haven't played a great game


In fact Ribery scored very few goals in big games last season and he will mostly win the Ballon d'Or award
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Re: Spanish football

Postby MUTU » Fri Nov 01, 2013 2:03 pm

Messi scores around 1.1 goals per match on average yet whenever the going got tough and Barcelona or Argentina got eliminated, Messi didn't score a single goal in either leg. This is a fact. When the going got tough, he went into hiding.

The same cannot be said for Ronaldo. In the last 2 CL eliminations for Real, Ronaldo scored 3 goals. Unlike Messi, it was his teammates letting him down nor vice versa.
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Re: Spanish football

Postby Borusse » Fri Nov 01, 2013 2:22 pm

Yet he scored in both finals he played in...

Its just the statistics MUTU, Im sure you watched the Dortmund - Real semifinals. Ronaldo played absolutely NOTHING in both games, he scored a goal in Dortmund to the empty net because of Hummels' mistake but he also had 2 great chances on Santiago Bernabeu which he wasted and that led to Real being eliminated. He also let his teammates down, his performances were completely shit, Dortmund had him closed down for 99% of the tie. Stats can be very deceiving sometimes.

I dont know whats with people and stats, football is not statistics, sometimes a player can have an absolutely great game and dont even get an assist. And often it happens a striker scores 2-3 goals but his entire performance was at most decent.
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Re: Spanish football

Postby FCBayernMunchen » Fri Nov 01, 2013 2:57 pm

YlonenXabi wrote:2- Even if you don't score that doesn't mean you haven't played a great game

This. The only times where he really disappeared were against Bayern.
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Re: Spanish football

Postby MUTU » Fri Nov 01, 2013 3:13 pm

Come on! The previous season he missed a penalty against Chelsea (shot against crossbar not a Cech save) and then missed another 1 on 1.
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Re: Spanish football

Postby Borusse » Fri Nov 01, 2013 3:23 pm

Ronaldo missed a penalty in penalty shoot-out against Bayern.

Whoops.

Ronaldo missed a penalty in penalty shoot-out against Chelsea in 2008 final.

Whoops again.
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Re: Spanish football

Postby FCBayernMunchen » Fri Nov 01, 2013 5:09 pm

MUTU wrote:Come on! The previous season he missed a penalty against Chelsea (shot against crossbar not a Cech save) and then missed another 1 on 1.

Against Chelsea he did not score because he was unlucky. If I remember correctly that was not the only post/crossbar he hit.
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Re: Spanish football

Postby MUTU » Fri Nov 01, 2013 5:38 pm

Borusse wrote:Ronaldo missed a penalty in penalty shoot-out against Bayern.

Whoops.

Ronaldo missed a penalty in penalty shoot-out against Chelsea in 2008 final.

Whoops again.

Ronaldo scored two and assisted Real's only other goal. If his teammates had not let him down, Real would have beaten Bayern. The fact it came down to penalties certainly isn't Ronaldo's fault.
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Re: Spanish football

Postby Borusse » Fri Nov 01, 2013 5:42 pm

The fact he didnt score the penalty which led to his team losing the penalty shoot-out is his fault.

Besides, all you talk about is statistics. I dont remember Ronaldo having a great game at Allianz Arena and also on Santiago Bernabeu, especially in the second half. He scored two goals, great, but then he also went missing. Stats lie. Exactly the same thing happened against Dortmund. He was nowhere to be found in both games, somehow scored an easiest goal he could get in a semifinal but then he just wasnt there for the team.

What are we even talking about? We both know Messi and Ronaldo are great players and you even admitted Messi is the better one. So whats the problem? Both are great players who sometimes shine and sometimes dont shine in big games, happens.
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