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[2015-10-27] VfL Wolfsburg vs Bayern Munich

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What is your prediction for this match?

Poll ended at Tue Oct 27, 2015 8:30 pm

VfL Wolfsburg will win inside 90 minutes
1
8%
VfL Wolfsburg will win after extra time
0
No votes
VfL Wolfsburg will win on penalties
0
No votes
Bayern Munich will win on penalties
0
No votes
Bayern Munich will win after extra time
0
No votes
Bayern Munich will win inside 90 minutes
11
92%
 
Total votes : 12

Re: [2015-10-27] VfL Wolfsburg vs Bayern Munich

Postby Badger » Thu Sep 24, 2015 9:12 pm

#12 wrote:If I may... Still you could've said it differently, maybe dropping the stupid for unimaginative...


You certainly may.

However, I would have little intention of using "unimaginative" when "stupid" is a more accurate term.

There is a central core of fans who recognise that not everything is 100% at Bayern, and are rational enough to analyse and try to identify what might not be working optimally. Their criticism is generally moderate and balanced - sometimes giving the players and coach the benefit of any doubt. I identify with that group and am happy to discuss the good, the bad and the ugly with them. And I do it courteously.

Then there are other superficial fans who indulge in excessive criticism. Sometimes they latch onto some popular rant and echo it, and sometimes they just indulge in a bit of bashing of their own invention. In most cases, the criticism is presented with little real analysis, and has little balance in it. "Worthless" and "stupid" are appropriate terms. If these fans think that they can freely ridicule to such a level of excess, it is fair enough that their argument is deconstructed at times, and it and they are shown to be stupid and lightweight.

If that leads to more moderate and balanced criticism on the forum, the majority will benefit.
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Re: [2015-10-27] VfL Wolfsburg vs Bayern Munich

Postby Badger » Thu Sep 24, 2015 9:19 pm

Bentonomo wrote:
Badger wrote: 1. You wrote 'we all' in your post, which invites people like me, who would normally not bother with such posts, to challenge it.

2. Guardiola's stubbornness is a fans' myth. He has a successful system which the Bayern board seemingly wants him to continue with.

If you can, create a persuasive case (in the Guardiola thread) that he is really stubborn, beyond what is a reasonable and normal level of determination for a top manager, showing that it is not just an idea that ignorant fans have.


Thank you, that's a much better post which helps me improve on my responses.

Guardiola will show how "normal his level of determination is in this match.

Excuse me for my poor english. [-o<


Apologies; I have just noticed that you are new here. I probably would not have replied if I had checked that first.

I dislike excessive criticism of the Bayern players or coach, and about every couple of months I home in on some such comment or other.

I'll not trouble you further. Enjoy the forum.
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Re: [2015-10-27] VfL Wolfsburg vs Bayern Munich

Postby #12 » Thu Sep 24, 2015 9:24 pm

Makes perfect sense, still I think stupid is a a bit personal... When in fact probably most of us (educated guess ;) ) don't know each other well enough to make that kind of judgement on a persons intellect... Whatever...
BTW: I do enjoy discussions with you - so even though consider myself to be critical, sometimes excessively, I hope it'll still happen every now and then (I actually think that even though I do get ranting from time to time I do make a valid point every other time :P )
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Re: [2015-10-27] VfL Wolfsburg vs Bayern Munich

Postby Badger » Thu Sep 24, 2015 10:03 pm

I'll make this my last post in this thread, since I'm posting quite off topic...

I'm just back from a week in Madeira, where I was only able to see the highlights of the last couple of Bayern matches, and dropped in to the forum here to read the assessments of the games. I'd hope to be joining more football discussions from here on.

I appreciate many of your posts. A few judgements do get a bit too strong for my tastes, but I find the majority well worth reading.

I think that the most important concept for any fan/poster to grasp is that the modern version of the beautiful game, played at the highest level, is very sophisticated; the simple problems/simple solutions that many identify in their posts - and often shout very loudly about - are rarely more than the tip of the iceberg, if correct at all. I'm only scratching the surface, so to speak, myself.

Now I'm off to enjoy the whole Bayern v Wolfsburg game on FCB.tv...
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Re: [2015-10-27] VfL Wolfsburg vs Bayern Munich

Postby Bentonomo » Thu Sep 24, 2015 10:04 pm

Badger wrote:
Apologies; I have just noticed that you are new here. I probably would not have replied if I had checked that first.

I dislike excessive criticism of the Bayern players or coach, and about every couple of months I home in on some such comment or other.

I'll not trouble you further. Enjoy the forum.


No problem. I'm very critical, but i will do my best to give valuable and discussable critics which could promote debate.
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Re: [2015-10-27] VfL Wolfsburg vs Bayern Munich

Postby RodePiet » Mon Sep 28, 2015 1:15 am

Oh No!!!....this is starting to sound like the jejune intelligence of "Bayern Zone"...if some want to carry on personal attacks maybe they should switch over to that sadly downfallen forum.....
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Re: [2015-10-27] VfL Wolfsburg vs Bayern Munich

Postby pyrasur » Mon Sep 28, 2015 2:22 am

RodePiet wrote:jejune


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Re: [2015-10-27] VfL Wolfsburg vs Bayern Munich

Postby PunkCapitalist » Mon Sep 28, 2015 3:53 am

RodePiet wrote:Oh No!!!....this is starting to sound like the jejune intelligence of "Bayern Zone"...if some want to carry on personal attacks maybe they should switch over to that sadly downfallen forum.....

I always found that something was off with that forum. Always wondered what the story is.
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Re: [2015-10-27] VfL Wolfsburg vs Bayern Munich

Postby kst » Mon Sep 28, 2015 9:01 am

there were some mods there that felt they were some vigilantes making rules out of personal perspective. thats all
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Re: [2015-10-27] VfL Wolfsburg vs Bayern Munich

Postby #12 » Mon Sep 28, 2015 6:40 pm

Not following you - what are you referring to?
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Re: [2015-10-27] VfL Wolfsburg vs Bayern Munich

Postby Firefox1234 » Mon Sep 28, 2015 6:43 pm

Let's stay on topic or am I making up rules like other mods do
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Re: [2015-10-27] VfL Wolfsburg vs Bayern Munich

Postby MUTU » Fri Oct 16, 2015 11:39 am

Only 11 days left for this match!
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Re: [2015-10-27] VfL Wolfsburg vs Bayern Munich

Postby ramsej84 » Fri Oct 16, 2015 12:01 pm

MUTU wrote:Only 11 days left for this match!


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Re: [2015-10-27] VfL Wolfsburg vs Bayern Munich

Postby MoFattal » Tue Oct 20, 2015 9:59 am

Probably our most important match before the winter break.
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Re: [2015-10-27] VfL Wolfsburg vs Bayern Munich

Postby DRvad14 » Mon Oct 26, 2015 7:03 pm

Looks like benatia traveled with the team too, finally we are getting reinforcements at back. I wonder if any team had managed to do as much as we did with one cb so far.
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