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[2018-02-06] SC Paderborn vs Bayern Munich

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What is your prediction for this match?

Poll ended at Tue Feb 06, 2018 6:30 pm

SC Paderborn 07 will win
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It will end in a draw
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Bayern Munich will win
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Total votes : 4

Re: [2018-02-06] SC Paderborn vs Bayern Munich

Postby Alaba » Tue Feb 06, 2018 9:02 pm

DerKaiser wrote:with coman, i doubt he will progress any further, i think gnabry will soon be better than him, i also am byaern egotistical and believe aint nobody got time for that can be soon potential schmari

and how in the world can anyone here say he has shown signs of being world class???
did you just start watching football last year?


Well then please tell us
What have you seen from gnabrys game that makes you think he will progress and not coman? Because for the life of me the only thing I see in gnabry is also potential, he hasn't done anything that coman hasn't done.
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Re: [2018-02-06] SC Paderborn vs Bayern Munich

Postby DerKaiser » Tue Feb 06, 2018 9:12 pm

yes, but he picks his head up when he plays and defends as well,
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Re: [2018-02-06] SC Paderborn vs Bayern Munich

Postby Alaba » Tue Feb 06, 2018 9:12 pm

Yes, you can definitely say a player shows signs that he can become world class,
Case in point is kimmich, leon baily, mbappe, sane etc etv
Why do you think that there are some youngsters who are being talked about and hunted by big clubs??? even though they haven't achieved anything or played in big European games????
I have watched football for a long time, even lahm, muller and poldi stood where coman stands today, there was a time when even They were promising youngsters who people predicted would be world class
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Re: [2018-02-06] SC Paderborn vs Bayern Munich

Postby DerKaiser » Tue Feb 06, 2018 9:14 pm

did u say poldi??

kimmich also will never be world class,
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Re: [2018-02-06] SC Paderborn vs Bayern Munich

Postby Alaba » Tue Feb 06, 2018 9:18 pm

DerKaiser wrote:yes, but he picks his head up when he plays and defends as well,

maybe coman has that weakness, but he is young and he can improve, Ronaldo himself was notoriously inefficient infront of goal in his early days, but he worked and improved to become a goal machine in his second season at utd and so have many other players(improved),
There are other areas of his game where coman is better than gnabry
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Re: [2018-02-06] SC Paderborn vs Bayern Munich

Postby Evan van Essen » Tue Feb 06, 2018 9:18 pm

DerKaiser wrote:did u say poldi??

kimmich also will never be world class,

pesimistic? cause i wont call this realistic xD
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Re: [2018-02-06] SC Paderborn vs Bayern Munich

Postby Alaba » Tue Feb 06, 2018 9:27 pm

DerKaiser wrote:did u say poldi??

kimmich also will never be world class,


Now apparently you are all knowing, there is no need discuss something with you if you don't put forward a well reasond argument. Saying player x will never be world class without any reasoning is not a discussion.
The way you so easily dismiss good players without even second guessing yourself is a big red flag.
A more appropriate statement would have beem" kimmich will probably never be world class "
But you seem to think you know everything
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Re: [2018-02-06] SC Paderborn vs Bayern Munich

Postby archymen » Tue Feb 06, 2018 9:28 pm

DerKaiser wrote:kimmich also will never be world class,


And what makes you say that? What makes you think that Kimmich lacks "brain" to be world-class? Have you ever met him? Do you know his mentality and what's he like? Same goes for Coman and Tolisso. I'm not sure about Coman's mentality, but Tolisso seems to be very down-to-earth and mature for his age. How can you claim something to be true, if you have no valid arguments?
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Re: [2018-02-06] SC Paderborn vs Bayern Munich

Postby MUTU » Tue Feb 06, 2018 9:36 pm

DerKaiser wrote:did u say poldi??

kimmich also will never be world class,
You mean Kimmich will never BECOME world class, because he already is.
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Re: [2018-02-06] SC Paderborn vs Bayern Munich

Postby DerKaiser » Tue Feb 06, 2018 9:45 pm

alaba and archymen the same way you think a player who has potential will eventually be world class is equally the same way i guess that they will not be.
brains are for me a both on and off field thing, like i wouldnt guess Ribbery to be quite smart but he had on fields smarts very early in his career
kimmich had incredible games but recently has had both a slump and quite often his game gets affected from fouls, bullying. as well he does well going forward but is lacking on defense at times, this will be seen againts strong wingers soon. his interviews also not so impressive
in general i think all of these guys are great and they made it in life, so i willnever ever *try to say something personal,
what i have seen with some players is that once they have made it (and had great potential) they stalled because they didnt really have the desire for more.
and so like you all i watch and guesstimated
but maybe unlike you guys i watch where players go off the ball, how they defend and atitude, not just highlights
if coman can learn to use his right foot it would make him dangerous, but hes too small to be just a one trick pony
Tolisso dont really know, hopefully he goes to a good club and starts for them, cause here he always looks like he doent know where he should be on the pitch
if you all think he can acceept being a bemch player for 3 years and somehow will be still motivated to greatness, but i dont see it
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Re: [2018-02-06] SC Paderborn vs Bayern Munich

Postby DerKaiser » Tue Feb 06, 2018 9:48 pm

gosh mutu
good thing you dont write for kicker magazine
your world class player list would be two pages long
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Re: [2018-02-06] SC Paderborn vs Bayern Munich

Postby Alaba » Tue Feb 06, 2018 9:57 pm

So you seem to think we don't watch our players reactions off the ball, the way they defend or their interviews?
You think we only watch YouTube clips of coman,???
You seem to think you are the only one who follows our club religiously.
I assure you, almost everyone in here makes an effort to watch every single bayern game, and we all watch out for if our players track back or have any weakness.
You say "unlike you guys.. . . . Highlights" how do you know? Do you watch the games with us????
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Re: [2018-02-06] SC Paderborn vs Bayern Munich

Postby America USA » Tue Feb 06, 2018 10:04 pm

I do tend to agree that Kimmich needs to improve his defending. Also he does seem a bit rattled when a physically strong winger bullies him on the field, but apart from that I don’t see a problem.
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Re: [2018-02-06] SC Paderborn vs Bayern Munich

Postby MUTU » Tue Feb 06, 2018 10:05 pm

DerKaiser wrote:gosh mutu
good thing you dont write for kicker magazine
your world class player list would be two pages long

And it's exactly Kicker who are the ones breaking the norm. For me, any player who is top 2 in the world in his position is world class. Can't think of two right-backs better than Kimmich, so for me Kimmich is world class.
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Re: [2018-02-06] SC Paderborn vs Bayern Munich

Postby DerKaiser » Tue Feb 06, 2018 10:15 pm

MUTU wrote:
DerKaiser wrote:gosh mutu
good thing you dont write for kicker magazine
your world class player list would be two pages long

And it's exactly Kicker who are the ones breaking the norm. For me, any player who is top 2 in the world in his position is world class. Can't think of two right-backs better than Kimmich, so for me Kimmich is world class.


Dani Alves
Dani Carvajal
Branislav Ivanović
Stephan Lichtsteiner
Antonio Valencia

all just as good

and I think also Sebastian Rudy would be better there
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