AdepT wrote:The game's over. No one will get any thing from fretting over a wrongly disallowed goal.
Things like these can happen in football. And DFB has not opted for goal-line technology, if I remember correctly, so this might continue.
Kiessling's phantom goal should already serve as a precedent that something like this might happen again in the future. If I recall correctly, both Bayern and BVB were in favor for goal-line technology. As for argument that the ball crossed the line
: the ball *did* cross the line, and in a sense the lineman was the one who didn't feel that it was.As for the argument whether it was offside
: if you look at the Pokal finale articles, it seems that the writer or website bases are split over it - some say offside (including Uli Heese who is known for being a BVB supporter), some say not. The fact that it still remains ambiguous even after being able to view it in slow-motion means that it would have been a tougher call for the referee to decide it on the spot
. Uli Heese thinks that it was offside and had the goal been given (because of goal-line technology, it would hardly be fair for us I guess).
As for Javi's right foot determining that it was offside... A fraction of a second is enough for the still image to appear like that. Hummel's body position (which is offside) is an easier determinant for the human eye. You can argue that "but the rules means foot, not body bla bla", who is to say that the exact moment the ball was header over by Reus(?), Javi's feet was still not offside as it just need a fraction of second to be captured in that position in a still image. Which is basically why those that said that Hummels was offside/onside described it as being "marginally". And as mentioned, if the refs had quickly watched the replay during the game, they would most likely used Hummels' body position to determine whether he is offside or not (In which case, his body clearly is). Of course, the argument is going to go back to being that the refs called it out for a goal line clearance above all.
In all, this match will serve as a strong example why technology should be in place in the future. Goal line technology is easy to implement, but we are still a long way from coming up with a "robotic" precise way to determine the whole offside/onside debacle. Hopefully in 5 years or so. Since the tech was not present, the ref's final choice determine the outcome, in which in this case went against BVB (may I also remind that Kiessling's goal was let to stand despite the Hoffy players showing the officials that the net was torn during the match).
So basically, I'm not saying that Hummels is 100% offside (I believe he is but it's too hard to tell). BUT if we goes by Uli Heese's scenario whereby goal-line and instant replay were to be used, the final decision would still came down to the refs
. And I'm quite certain (based on the outcome of Kiessling's goal and because they have to commence play asap) that the refs would used Hummels' body position to determine that he was offside and the goal would've been disallowed anyway. The Sky experts and other journalists have all the hour or day to analyze the video and used all their mumbo-jumbo tech and argue on the offside/onside call but the refs simply don't. Besides I would take what the media show/say with a pinch of salt, they need to do what they have to do - which is to increase viewership... and the fact that even them were split over this decision means that it was the "little things" that are really hard to tell anyway... You have to get down and dissect fractions of a second to the tiny minuscule details, the match simply can't afford that luxury... So the end decision still comes down to the officials anyway.
And then again, if we want to complain about the officiating decision, there are also the matter of the handball not given to us and that Kroos or Boa could've been sent off etc... I think a lot of the decisions went against or helped both teams in equal measure, but none was probably in such magnitude as this (and we could argue that the handball is next, where a penalty could eventually cancelled out Hummels' "goal" and the game would go into extra time anyway). Would've, could've, should've...
It's unfortunate and definitely a tough pill to swallow for the BVB fans. Imagine had Arsenal scored one more goal last season and we bowed out of the CL because of Poldi's goal from a non-existent corner - no CL, no treble for us... That was the possibility that we would have been facing... but this is done and dusted, BVB can complain all they want, but the fact is not going to change that they lost... I think the loss means much more because many believed they will come out the winner (even me), but I was pleasantly surprised how well we played and how much grit we showed in the game despite our makeshift team (it felt like both teams were reversed to be honest). In all, I'm seriously hoping that more teams should reconsider about implementing the technology again in the future.
And for super bias comments here - well eff to the "neutrals" who decided to be BVB fan again for the day. And also since it was Hummels who is the "victim" here, I thought it was quite the icing for us at least.