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[2018-05-19] Bayern Munich vs Eintracht Frankfurt

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What is your prediction for this match?

Poll ended at Sat May 19, 2018 7:00 pm

Bayern Munich will win inside 90 minutes
5
100%
Bayern Munich will win after extra time
0
No votes
Bayern Munich will win on penalties
0
No votes
Eintracht Frankfurt will win on penalties
0
No votes
Eintracht Frankfurt will win after extra time
0
No votes
Eintracht Frankfurt will win inside 90 minutes
0
No votes
 
Total votes : 5

Re: [2018-05-19] Bayern Munich vs Eintracht Frankfurt

Postby MUTU » Tue May 22, 2018 9:46 am

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Dumbledore7 wrote:As long as referees have the final say, VAR won't fix anything. Referees are humans who have subjective opinions and can be bought.

That's not entirely correct. Referees do have the final say, so they can still be bribed and/or have weird opinions, true. However, the task has become much more difficult for them because they can no longer use their excuse of not having been able to see it properly. They have much more explaining to do, with VAR. Without VAR, Zwayer wouldn't have been trending this much on Twitter. What before could be brushed off as a simple mistake is suddenly looking deliberate and intentional. I'd say incidents like this are rather the exception than the norm, with VAR.


Here is another interesting point made by Gagelmann to Sky which I saw on Sunday but if I'm translating correctly is worth a thought.
He is critical of the selection which was shown to Zwayer. I think he is saying that from what we could see on the Tv's he was shown the last part of the action in slow mo, repeatedly but there was no showing of the larger span of the incident in real time which sometimes puts things in better persepctive. So it also depends on what is fed to the ref from the VAR studio.....selective information
I stand to be corrected if I am translating incorrectly.

DFB Cup: Gagelmann on Zwayers problem with video evidence GER

It doesn't matter because Zwayer still stands by his decision. If he used this as an excuse it may be worth looking into. Looks like Gagelmann is just trying to defend referees.
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Re: [2018-05-19] Bayern Munich vs Eintracht Frankfurt

Postby Dumbledore7 » Tue May 22, 2018 10:15 am

Please. More scrutiny for refs? Since when? Have we seen a high-profile referee heavily punished / completely fired from the job for making the wrong decision? I've seen short suspensions, but I'm expecting fines, lawsuits. Is anything going to happen to Felix Zwayer other than being spoken about in forums (wait, don't tell me that's what you guys meant by "scrutiny")? WIll Felix Zwayer be better at refereeing after this? How about Kassai? Do you think he won't get away with just "I stand by my decision" if we had VAR that match?

VAR may make it harder to cheat for now, but the refs will still find a way. Did you notice after goal line technology, there have been more decisions to disallow goal for other reasons? My favourite is "obstruction of view".
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Re: [2018-05-19] Bayern Munich vs Eintracht Frankfurt

Postby MUTU » Tue May 22, 2018 11:06 am

Dumbledore7 wrote:Please. More scrutiny for refs? Since when? Have we seen a high-profile referee heavily punished / completely fired from the job for making the wrong decision? I've seen short suspensions, but I'm expecting fines, lawsuits. Is anything going to happen to Felix Zwayer other than being spoken about in forums (wait, don't tell me that's what you guys meant by "scrutiny")? WIll Felix Zwayer be better at refereeing after this? How about Kassai? Do you think he won't get away with just "I stand by my decision" if we had VAR that match?

VAR may make it harder to cheat for now, but the refs will still find a way. Did you notice after goal line technology, there have been more decisions to disallow goal for other reasons? My favourite is "obstruction of view".

Mate, your answer is at https://www.wahretabelle.de/statistik/w ... lehistorie

The DFB table, under VAR, has never been as close to the Wahretabelle since its inception in 1995.
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