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Re: UEFA Coefficient Rankings

Postby Isabella » Sat Feb 24, 2018 11:33 am

MUTU wrote:
ramsej84 wrote:As from next season the top four leagues will have four teams guaranteed for the ucl group phase...
So unless Ligue 1 surpass BuLi there is no reason to worry...


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Re: UEFA Coefficient Rankings

Postby ramsej84 » Sat Feb 24, 2018 11:38 am

Isabella wrote:
MUTU wrote:
ramsej84 wrote:As from next season the top four leagues will have four teams guaranteed for the ucl group phase...
So unless Ligue 1 surpass BuLi there is no reason to worry...


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I remember the days when serie a teams used to snub the uefa cup / europa league, now it seems that things have changed.
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Re: UEFA Coefficient Rankings

Postby Isabella » Sun Feb 25, 2018 9:19 am

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I remember the days when serie a teams used to snub the uefa cup / europa league, now it seems that things have changed.

Not really, is only this year because Milan is the most european oriented club in Italy (and the one who had the hardest job) and happy to be finally back in Europe, Lazio and Atalanta have good teams and zero reasons for not trying their best in the cup and strangely the three clubs who started the season in EL are also three of the four semifinalist of Italian Cup (and either Milan or Lazio will play the final against Juve)...
Next year I do not know what the three Italian teams will do and much depend from what teams are in UEL... Milan wanted play in Europe, another club will likely snub the preliminary rounds and so be out before the start of the group stages
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Re: UEFA Coefficient Rankings

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Re: UEFA Coefficient Rankings

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Re: UEFA Coefficient Rankings

Postby ramsej84 » Fri Mar 16, 2018 9:58 am

so what are you suggesting ? maybe that all German clubs to close off their youth set ups and fill their clubs with mercenaries ... ?
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Re: UEFA Coefficient Rankings

Postby MUTU » Fri Mar 16, 2018 10:03 am

ramsej84 wrote:so what are you suggesting ? maybe that all German clubs to close off their youth set ups and fill their clubs with mercenaries ... ?

No, I'm suggesting 50+1 to be abolished and German clubs getting investors so that they can invest more in youth setups simply for the reason that with more money they'd be able to retain their youth products by offering them competitive salaries, hence making youth investment more feasible.

Don't you find it concerning that almost half of the German 2018 World Cup squad will be made up from players playing outside Germany?

Do you find it right that at least 33 German players are playing in England?

Do you not agree that the Bundesliga quality is declining?

Do you not think that the German NT's future is also at stake given that quality players in Germany outside of Bayern have become a rarity and German up-and-coming talents are not being tested against quality opposition week in week out and hence won't be able to improve much?

Do you not think something must be done about it?

Do you have a suggestion other than:
A) abolishing 50+1 or
B) simply doing nothing & pray for better times?
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Re: UEFA Coefficient Rankings

Postby ramsej84 » Fri Mar 16, 2018 10:22 am

MUTU wrote:
ramsej84 wrote:so what are you suggesting ? maybe that all German clubs to close off their youth set ups and fill their clubs with mercenaries ... ?

No, I'm suggesting 50+1 to be abolished and German clubs getting investors so that they can invest more in youth setups simply for the reason that with more money they'd be able to retain their youth products by offering them competitive salaries, hence making youth investment more feasible.

Don't you find it concerning that almost half of the German 2018 World Cup squad will be made up from players playing outside Germany?

Do you find it right that at least 33 German players are playing in England?

Do you not agree that the Bundesliga quality is declining?

Do you not think that the German NT's future is also at stake given that quality players in Germany outside of Bayern have become a rarity and German up-and-coming talents are not being tested against quality opposition week in week out and hence won't be able to improve much?

Do you not think something must be done about it?

Do you have a suggestion other than:
A) abolishing 50+1 or
B) simply doing nothing & pray for better times?


you obviously have a point... but what worries me is those who will come to invest... rest assured that most of them won't have the club or the fans at heart... (they will be only in it for the money)
If there will be a proper due diligence I won't oppose investment.

Plus ... clubs such as Man C or PSG one day will go back to the shit holes from which they emerged....
clubs like ours , Juve, Barca Real will be there forever!
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Re: UEFA Coefficient Rankings

Postby MUTU » Fri Mar 16, 2018 10:25 am

ramsej84 wrote:
MUTU wrote:
ramsej84 wrote:so what are you suggesting ? maybe that all German clubs to close off their youth set ups and fill their clubs with mercenaries ... ?

No, I'm suggesting 50+1 to be abolished and German clubs getting investors so that they can invest more in youth setups simply for the reason that with more money they'd be able to retain their youth products by offering them competitive salaries, hence making youth investment more feasible.

Don't you find it concerning that almost half of the German 2018 World Cup squad will be made up from players playing outside Germany?

Do you find it right that at least 33 German players are playing in England?

Do you not agree that the Bundesliga quality is declining?

Do you not think that the German NT's future is also at stake given that quality players in Germany outside of Bayern have become a rarity and German up-and-coming talents are not being tested against quality opposition week in week out and hence won't be able to improve much?

Do you not think something must be done about it?

Do you have a suggestion other than:
A) abolishing 50+1 or
B) simply doing nothing & pray for better times?


you obviously have a point... but what worries me is those who will come to invest... rest assured that most of them won't have the club or the fans at heart... (they will be only in it for the money)
If there will be a proper due diligence I won't oppose investment.

Plus ... clubs such as Man C or PSG one day will go back to the shit holes from which they emerged....
clubs like ours , Juve, Barca Real will be there forever!

Perhaps investments could be controlled. For example, a rule could be implemented whereby clubs owning 50% or less of shares would be required to spend a specific percentage of their income on youth development as a minimum.
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Re: UEFA Coefficient Rankings

Postby ramsej84 » Fri Mar 16, 2018 10:40 am

I may be going off topic, but I want to see a rule which states that with the starting XI there should be at least three / four players eligible to play for the National team of the country which the club represents.
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Re: UEFA Coefficient Rankings

Postby MUTU » Fri Mar 16, 2018 10:44 am

ramsej84 wrote:I may be going off topic, but I want to see a rule which states that with the starting XI there should be at least three / four players eligible to play for the National team of the country which the club represents.

I'm not sure if that's legal in the EU. As far as I know you cannot discriminate against employees of other member states.
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Re: UEFA Coefficient Rankings

Postby Valerio » Fri Mar 16, 2018 10:48 am

ramsej84 wrote:I may be going off topic, but I want to see a rule which states that with the starting XI there should be at least three / four players eligible to play for the National team of the country which the club represents.

I agree.
As for euro rules you can't put a limit to foreign players you can turn around that rule and set it up as a minimum numbers to play.

For Serie A I'd set up a 5starting players to be italians and 5 to always be in the pitch.
That way you force the teams to develope "local product" instead of buying cheap but physically ready players.
It would make things interesting and you will increase the quality of the foreign players as well.
Since less sposts avaible the better they need to be.

Also ramsej local players tend to be less mercenary not willing to go away as soon as they get +1€

But it seems nobody wanna do this dunno the reason.
At least in Italy we reached our best when there was the 3 foreign players rule.
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Re: UEFA Coefficient Rankings

Postby ramsej84 » Fri Mar 16, 2018 11:07 am

MUTU wrote:
ramsej84 wrote:I may be going off topic, but I want to see a rule which states that with the starting XI there should be at least three / four players eligible to play for the National team of the country which the club represents.

I'm not sure if that's legal in the EU. As far as I know you cannot discriminate against employees of other member states.

the eu will soon be history :coffee:
p.s I don't want my club to become like Inter or Milan .... owned by some mafia Chinese boys
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Re: UEFA Coefficient Rankings

Postby ramsej84 » Fri Mar 16, 2018 1:39 pm

I need to read that article you posted ...
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Don't you think that certain clubs will feel discriminated as they might not have that allure that attracts investment?

Eg. Who would be interested to invest in let say Dynamo Dresden or G.Furth?

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Re: UEFA Coefficient Rankings

Postby Dumbledore7 » Fri Mar 16, 2018 1:42 pm

ramsej84 wrote:I may be going off topic, but I want to see a rule which states that with the starting XI there should be at least three / four players eligible to play for the National team of the country which the club represents.

Who'll impose the rule?
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