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[2013-08-29] Champions League group stage draws

Postby MatchBot » Wed Jul 24, 2013 10:09 am

Champions League group stage draws
Champions League group stage draws
Competition: UEFA Champions League
Venue: Grimaldi Forum, Monaco


Ten play-off winners join the 22 automatic entrants in the group stage draw at the Grimaldi Forum, Monaco, where the 32 sides are split into four seeding pots and one from each is drawn into the eight groups. Seeds are based on UEFA's coefficient system and no team can meet another from the same association.

Where two sides from the same association qualify, they are paired to split their matches between Tuesday and Wednesday, so one club will always play at home on one day and the other will play away on the other day. In the case of associations with three representatives, only two teams are paired in terms of their fixtures; in the case of associations with four representatives, two pairings are made based on the TV audience.

To ensure sides from the same country play on separate days, the eight groups are distinguished by colour: Groups A–D red and Groups E–H blue. When a paired club is drawn, for example, into one of the red groups, the other paired club – once it is drawn – is automatically assigned to one of the four blue groups.

Teams from Pot 1 are provisionally placed in the first position within their groups, sides from Pot 2 provisionally take the second spot in their sections, and so on. Once the draw is completed, a computer draw determines the final position of the clubs within their group and therefore the order of the home and away matches.

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Re: [2013-08-29] Champions League group stage draws

Postby MUTU » Wed Jul 24, 2013 10:20 am

Bayern will definitely avoid these clubs in the group, due to being assigned to pot 1:

- Barcelona
- Chelsea
- Real Madrid
- Manchester United
- Arsenal (they still need to qualify anyway)
- Porto
- Benfica
- Borussia Dortmund
- Bayer Leverkusen
- Schalke 04 (they still need to qualify anyway)

Bayern will avoid the possibility of Atletico Madrid in the draws only if Arsenal fails to qualify.
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Re: [2013-08-29] Champions League group stage draws

Postby AdepT » Wed Jul 24, 2013 11:00 am

MUTU wrote:Bayern will definitely avoid these clubs in the group, due to being assigned to pot 1:

- Barcelona
- Chelsea
- Real Madrid
- Manchester United
- Arsenal (they still need to qualify anyway)
- Porto
- Benfica
- Borussia Dortmund
- Bayer Leverkusen
- Schalke 04 (they still need to qualify anyway)

Bayern will avoid the possibility of Atletico Madrid in the draws only if Arsenal fails to qualify.


In depth analysis already done by me here. :P

EDIT : I guess it'll be better to quote it here.
AdepT wrote:How about I start the thread with a big :dante: 'IT'S ON' :dante:cheer.

Draws for 1st and 2nd qualifying rounds on Monday, 24th June. [source]


List of qualified/qualifier teams [source]


Ok. Now here I go. The pots according to the coefficients of a team compiled by me. *Italicised teams have to go through playoffs/qualifying rounds. This one's to present a rough picture of what the pots would look like come Aug. LR means the playoff for teams who've come through League Route. CR for Champions' Route. These are pools of 10, and 5 enter the Group Stage from both pools. So a few LR teams are going down.
My guesses bar any screw-up in draws for the play offs :
LR - Arsenal, Schalke, Milan, Lyon, Zenit
CR - Basel, Bate Borisov, Celtic, Dinamo Zagreb, Apoel
So, yeah, there's a lot to happen in the coming days.

Club Name(Nation) UEFA Coeffcient Ratings accumulated over last five seasons

POT 1
1. Bayern Munchen(GER) 146.922 ( The Defending European Champions 8) )
2. Barcelona(ESP) 157.605
3. Chelsea FC (ENG) 137.592
4. Real Madrid CF (ESP) 136.605
5. Manchester United FC (ENG) 130.592
6. FC Porto (POR) 104.833
7. SL Benfica (POR) 102.833
*8. Arsenal FC (ENG) 113.592 (LR)

POT 2
9. Club Atlético de Madrid (ESP) 99.605
*10. Olympique Lyonnais (FRA) 95.800 (LR)
11. FC Shakhtar Donetsk (UKR) 94.951
*12. AC Milan (ITA) 93.829 (LR)
*13. FC Schalke 04 (GER) 84.922 (LR)
14. Olympique de Marseille (FRA) 78.800
15. PFC CSKA Moksva (RUS) 77.766
16. Paris Saint-Germain FC (FRA) 71.800

POT 3
17. Juventus (ITA) 70.829
*18. FC Zenit St Petersburg (RUS) 70.766 (LR)
19. Manchester City FC (ENG) 70.592
20. AFC Ajax (NED) 64.945
*21. PSV Eindhoven (NED) 64.945 (LR)
*22. FC Metalist Kharkiv (UKR) 62.451 (LR)
23. Borussia Dortmund (GER) 61.922
*24. FC Basel 1893 (SUI) 59.785 (CR)
25. Olympiacos FC (GRE) 57.800 (will surely remain in Pot 3)
26. Galatasaray AŞ (TUR) 54.400 (will surely remain in Pot 3)


POT 4
27. Bayer 04 Leverkusen (GER) 53.922
28. FC København (DEN) 47.140
29. SSC Napoli (ITA) 46.829
*30. Fenerbahçe SK (TUR) 46.400 (LR)
31. RSC Anderlecht (BEL) 44.880
*32. FC BATE Borisov (BLR) 39.175 (CR)
*33. APOEL FC (CYP) 35.366 (CR)
*34. FC Steaua Bucureşti (ROU) 35.604 (CR)

Points to note :
1. Dortmund will be in Pot 3 if anyone of Arsenal/Schalke/Milan/Lyon/Zenit/PSV/Metalist qualify for GS. Now one of them's gonna make it surely. :|
2. If all of Arsenal/Schalke/Milan/Lyon make it, then Juve are down to Pot 3 again. That is if any of these 4 - Arsenal/Schalke/Lyon/Milan fail to qualify, Juve move to Pot 2.
3. If only four of these 7 teams(LR) - Arsenal/Schalke/Milan/Lyon/Zenit/PSV/Metalist make it to GS, then Leverkusen move to Pot 3.
4. If any four of these 8 teams - Arsenal/Schalke/Milan/Lyon/Zenit/PSV/Metalist/Basel make it to GS, then Napoli stay in Pot 4.
5. Only five of Arsenal/Schalke/Milan/Lyon/Zenit/PSV/Metalist will remain. So Olympiacos FC (GRE) and Galatasaray AŞ are surely moving to pot 3.

So there could be more than one group of death if point 2 holds true. Juve/ManC/BVB in Pot 3. Leverkusen, Napoli, Fener in Pot 4.

The draw schedule :
2013/14 UEFA Champions League draw schedule
Date Location Draw details
24/06/13 Nyon First and second qualifying round
19/07/13 Nyon Third qualifying round
09/08/13 Nyon Play-off round
29/08/13 Monaco(No idea why :shock: ) Group stage
13/12/13 Nyon Round of 16
21/03/14 Nyon Quarter-finals
11/04/14 Nyon Semi-finals and final

PS : I was getting impatient. :P =P~
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Re: [2013-08-29] Champions League group stage draws

Postby kod2600 » Wed Jul 24, 2013 11:12 am

Arsenal will be in pot A if they qualified? Why? Based on their past CL performance? o__O
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Re: [2013-08-29] Champions League group stage draws

Postby AdepT » Wed Jul 24, 2013 11:23 am

kod2600 wrote:Arsenal will be in pot A if they qualified? Why? Based on their past CL performance? o__O

Please check above. :)
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Re: [2013-08-29] Champions League group stage draws

Postby kod2600 » Wed Jul 24, 2013 11:53 am

AdepT wrote:
kod2600 wrote:Arsenal will be in pot A if they qualified? Why? Based on their past CL performance? o__O

Please check above. :)


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Re: [2013-08-29] Champions League group stage draws

Postby ramsej84 » Wed Jul 24, 2013 12:05 pm

AdepT wrote:
MUTU wrote:Bayern will definitely avoid these clubs in the group, due to being assigned to pot 1:

- Barcelona
- Chelsea
- Real Madrid
- Manchester United
- Arsenal (they still need to qualify anyway)
- Porto
- Benfica
- Borussia Dortmund
- Bayer Leverkusen
- Schalke 04 (they still need to qualify anyway)

Bayern will avoid the possibility of Atletico Madrid in the draws only if Arsenal fails to qualify.


In depth analysis already done by me here. :P

EDIT : I guess it'll be better to quote it here.
AdepT wrote:How about I start the thread with a big :dante: 'IT'S ON' :dante:cheer.

Draws for 1st and 2nd qualifying rounds on Monday, 24th June. [source]


List of qualified/qualifier teams [source]


Ok. Now here I go. The pots according to the coefficients of a team compiled by me. *Italicised teams have to go through playoffs/qualifying rounds. This one's to present a rough picture of what the pots would look like come Aug. LR means the playoff for teams who've come through League Route. CR for Champions' Route. These are pools of 10, and 5 enter the Group Stage from both pools. So a few LR teams are going down.
My guesses bar any screw-up in draws for the play offs :
LR - Arsenal, Schalke, Milan, Lyon, Zenit
CR - Basel, Bate Borisov, Celtic, Dinamo Zagreb, Apoel
So, yeah, there's a lot to happen in the coming days.

Club Name(Nation) UEFA Coeffcient Ratings accumulated over last five seasons

POT 1
1. Bayern Munchen(GER) 146.922 ( The Defending European Champions 8) )
2. Barcelona(ESP) 157.605
3. Chelsea FC (ENG) 137.592
4. Real Madrid CF (ESP) 136.605
5. Manchester United FC (ENG) 130.592
6. FC Porto (POR) 104.833
7. SL Benfica (POR) 102.833
*8. Arsenal FC (ENG) 113.592 (LR)

POT 2
9. Club Atlético de Madrid (ESP) 99.605
*10. Olympique Lyonnais (FRA) 95.800 (LR)
11. FC Shakhtar Donetsk (UKR) 94.951
*12. AC Milan (ITA) 93.829 (LR)
*13. FC Schalke 04 (GER) 84.922 (LR)
14. Olympique de Marseille (FRA) 78.800
15. PFC CSKA Moksva (RUS) 77.766
16. Paris Saint-Germain FC (FRA) 71.800

POT 3
17. Juventus (ITA) 70.829
*18. FC Zenit St Petersburg (RUS) 70.766 (LR)
19. Manchester City FC (ENG) 70.592
20. AFC Ajax (NED) 64.945
*21. PSV Eindhoven (NED) 64.945 (LR)
*22. FC Metalist Kharkiv (UKR) 62.451 (LR)
23. Borussia Dortmund (GER) 61.922
*24. FC Basel 1893 (SUI) 59.785 (CR)
25. Olympiacos FC (GRE) 57.800 (will surely remain in Pot 3)
26. Galatasaray AŞ (TUR) 54.400 (will surely remain in Pot 3)


POT 4
27. Bayer 04 Leverkusen (GER) 53.922
28. FC København (DEN) 47.140
29. SSC Napoli (ITA) 46.829
*30. Fenerbahçe SK (TUR) 46.400 (LR)
31. RSC Anderlecht (BEL) 44.880
*32. FC BATE Borisov (BLR) 39.175 (CR)
*33. APOEL FC (CYP) 35.366 (CR)
*34. FC Steaua Bucureşti (ROU) 35.604 (CR)

Points to note :
1. Dortmund will be in Pot 3 if anyone of Arsenal/Schalke/Milan/Lyon/Zenit/PSV/Metalist qualify for GS. Now one of them's gonna make it surely. :|
2. If all of Arsenal/Schalke/Milan/Lyon make it, then Juve are down to Pot 3 again. That is if any of these 4 - Arsenal/Schalke/Lyon/Milan fail to qualify, Juve move to Pot 2.
3. If only four of these 7 teams(LR) - Arsenal/Schalke/Milan/Lyon/Zenit/PSV/Metalist make it to GS, then Leverkusen move to Pot 3.
4. If any four of these 8 teams - Arsenal/Schalke/Milan/Lyon/Zenit/PSV/Metalist/Basel make it to GS, then Napoli stay in Pot 4.
5. Only five of Arsenal/Schalke/Milan/Lyon/Zenit/PSV/Metalist will remain. So Olympiacos FC (GRE) and Galatasaray AŞ are surely moving to pot 3.

So there could be more than one group of death if point 2 holds true. Juve/ManC/BVB in Pot 3. Leverkusen, Napoli, Fener in Pot 4.

The draw schedule :
2013/14 UEFA Champions League draw schedule
Date Location Draw details
24/06/13 Nyon First and second qualifying round
19/07/13 Nyon Third qualifying round
09/08/13 Nyon Play-off round
29/08/13 Monaco(No idea why :shock: ) Group stage
13/12/13 Nyon Round of 16
21/03/14 Nyon Quarter-finals
11/04/14 Nyon Semi-finals and final

PS : I was getting impatient. :P =P~


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Re: [2013-08-29] Champions League group stage draws

Postby Borusse » Wed Jul 24, 2013 2:32 pm

Seems like another very tough group for Dortmund. I would like to have a group with Manchester United, Lyon and maybe Anderlecht so we wouldnt have to travel far. And Kagawa could make a comeback to Dortmund and feel the love of the fans. :D

With Napoli and Leverkusen in pot 4, Juve, City and Dortmund in pot 3 and all the class teams in pot 2 there is a big chance we will get more than 1 group of death this time.

I believe Champions League group stages were never as much exciting as this year. Plenty of strong teams in almost every pot. :wink:

Example group of death for Bayern:

Bayern, PSG, City, Napoli - that would be fun to watch.
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Re: [2013-08-29] Champions League group stage draws

Postby Borusse » Wed Jul 24, 2013 2:40 pm

So many combinations! Imagine a group like this:

United, PSG, Dortmund, Napoli

Who would be a favourite of a group like this?!

Or this:
Porto, Atletico, Galatasaray, Leverkusen. :shock:
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Re: [2013-08-29] Champions League group stage draws

Postby AdepT » Wed Jul 24, 2013 3:43 pm

Borusse wrote:Example group of death for Bayern:
Bayern, PSG, City, Napoli - that would be fun to watch.


I guess you wrote that by mistake. That's clearly a group of death for PSG, City and Napoli. Certainly not for Bayern. :P
I hope you'd get that. :wink:
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Re: [2013-08-29] Champions League group stage draws

Postby Borusse » Wed Jul 24, 2013 3:52 pm

No, I dont get that. City under Pellegrini and PSG are very, very strong sides. Napoli is the only outsider here, not Bayern. Although its clear Bayern would be favourites to win the group but you would have to give your all and not play 90% to win it. :wink:
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Re: [2013-08-29] Champions League group stage draws

Postby AdepT » Wed Jul 24, 2013 4:09 pm

Borusse wrote:No, I dont get that.

You dissappoint me. #-o
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Re: [2013-08-29] Champions League group stage draws

Postby MoFattal » Wed Jul 24, 2013 11:06 pm

Borusse wrote:So many combinations! Imagine a group like this:United, PSG, Dortmund, Napoli


Come on, we all know United are going to get Marseille, Olympiacos, and Apoel ;)
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Re: [2013-08-29] Champions League group stage draws

Postby Borusse » Wed Jul 24, 2013 11:17 pm

But I want United... Kaaaagawa Shinji!

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Re: [2013-08-29] Champions League group stage draws

Postby FCBayernMunchen » Sat Jul 27, 2013 9:12 am

Bayern
PSG
Manchester City
Napoli

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Wouldn't mind having Juve or Milan and some weaker team from Pot 4.

But yeah, I want a group of death.
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