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Re: [2016-08-25] Bayern Munich vs ??? — CL draw

Postby MUTU » Wed Aug 24, 2016 1:30 pm

Either the simulator is wrong or else other clubs were already drawn for FGH from pot 2?
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Re: [2016-08-25] Bayern Munich vs ??? — CL draw

Postby RedQueen » Wed Aug 24, 2016 1:36 pm

The other pot 2 clubs weren't drawn, ManCity was the first of pot 2.

But it seems like is has something to do with the playing schedule. If Barca was drawn into the (A,B,C,D) branch, Real can't be drawn into the same branch either, as the teams in these groups play on the same day. Looks like the top seeded club from an FA can't be drawn into the same branch as the second place seeded club from the same FA. If that's the case it narrows the possibilities quite a bit.
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Re: [2016-08-25] Bayern Munich vs ??? — CL draw

Postby MUTU » Wed Aug 24, 2016 1:47 pm

RedQueen wrote:The other pot 2 clubs weren't drawn, ManCity was the first of pot 2.

But it seems like is has something to do with the playing schedule. If Barca was drawn into the (A,B,C,D) branch, Real can't be drawn into the same branch either, as the teams in these groups play on the same day. Looks like the top seeded club from an FA can't be drawn into the same branch as the second place seeded club from the same FA. If that's the case it narrows the possibilities quite a bit.

How did they decide that Barcelona and Real Madrid can't be drawn in the same branch? Why not Barcelona and Atletico Madrid for example? Or even Real Madrid and Atletico Madrid (which would make more sense since they are in the same city).
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Re: [2016-08-25] Bayern Munich vs ??? — CL draw

Postby ramsej84 » Wed Aug 24, 2016 1:50 pm

Group A
Bayern München
FC Porto
Tottenham Hotspur
Legia Warsaw

Group B
CSKA Moscow
Sevilla
Sporting CP Lisbon
Ludogorets Razgrad

Group C
Paris Saint-Germain
Napoli
FC Basel
Celtic

Group D
Real Madrid
Manchester City
PSV Eindhoven
Borussia Mönchengladb.

Group E
Juventus
Atlético Madrid
Ajax
AS Monaco

Group F
Benfica
Borussia Dortmund
Club Brugge
Besiktas

Group G
Leicester City
Bayer Leverkusen
Olympique Lyon
APOEL Nicosia

Group H
FC Barcelona
Arsenal
Dinamo Kiev
FC Salzburg
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Re: [2016-08-25] Bayern Munich vs ??? — CL draw

Postby RedQueen » Wed Aug 24, 2016 1:54 pm

MUTU wrote:How did they decide that Barcelona and Real Madrid can't be drawn in the same branch? Why not Barcelona and Atletico Madrid for example? Or even Real Madrid and Atletico Madrid (which would make more sense since they are in the same city).

My guess is if the teams are in the same pot it's decided according to UEFA coefficients. Dortmund can't play on the same day as Bayern, but Leverkusen can.

E: That's a terrible group for Gladbach you've got there, ramsej.
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Re: [2016-08-25] Bayern Munich vs ??? — CL draw

Postby MUTU » Wed Aug 24, 2016 1:55 pm

ramsej84 wrote:Group A
Bayern München
FC Porto
Tottenham Hotspur
Legia Warsaw

Group B
CSKA Moscow
Sevilla
Sporting CP Lisbon
Ludogorets Razgrad

Group C
Paris Saint-Germain
Napoli
FC Basel
Celtic

Group D
Real Madrid
Manchester City
PSV Eindhoven
Borussia Mönchengladb.

Group E
Juventus
Atlético Madrid
Ajax
AS Monaco

Group F
Benfica
Borussia Dortmund
Club Brugge
Besiktas

Group G
Leicester City
Bayer Leverkusen
Olympique Lyon
APOEL Nicosia

Group H
FC Barcelona
Arsenal
Dinamo Kiev
FC Salzburg

The draw is tomorrow. Don't panic people please :)
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Re: [2016-08-25] Bayern Munich vs ??? — CL draw

Postby ramsej84 » Wed Aug 24, 2016 2:04 pm

MUTU wrote:
RedQueen wrote:The other pot 2 clubs weren't drawn, ManCity was the first of pot 2.

But it seems like is has something to do with the playing schedule. If Barca was drawn into the (A,B,C,D) branch, Real can't be drawn into the same branch either, as the teams in these groups play on the same day. Looks like the top seeded club from an FA can't be drawn into the same branch as the second place seeded club from the same FA. If that's the case it narrows the possibilities quite a bit.

How did they decide that Barcelona and Real Madrid can't be drawn in the same branch? Why not Barcelona and Atletico Madrid for example? Or even Real Madrid and Atletico Madrid (which would make more sense since they are in the same city).


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Re: [2016-08-25] Bayern Munich vs ??? — CL draw

Postby MUTU » Wed Aug 24, 2016 2:26 pm

tflags wrote:I'm getting a little wary of pot 2. It does look more menacing that pot 1 to be honest.

There are no pushovers in pot 2. It was always going to be that way after UEFA changed the rules. Pot 1 is a mix of good teams and teams which are easier on paper.
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Re: [2016-08-25] Bayern Munich vs ??? — CL draw

Postby FCBayernMunchen » Wed Aug 24, 2016 2:54 pm

RedQueen wrote:The other pot 2 clubs weren't drawn, ManCity was the first of pot 2.

But it seems like is has something to do with the playing schedule. If Barca was drawn into the (A,B,C,D) branch, Real can't be drawn into the same branch either, as the teams in these groups play on the same day. Looks like the top seeded club from an FA can't be drawn into the same branch as the second place seeded club from the same FA. If that's the case it narrows the possibilities quite a bit.


AFAIK it's usually that if there are 4 teams in from the same country, only 2 can play on the same day. Probably if there are 2 teams they must also be on separate days. I don't know whether this seeding rule has been introduced instead but unless I'm mistaken that's how it usually is. When watching the draw I work out our possible opponents in real time and I've never paid attention to who's the top seed but I've always gotten it right.


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Re: [2016-08-25] Bayern Munich vs ??? — CL draw

Postby MUTU » Wed Aug 24, 2016 8:18 pm

MUTU wrote:So bad news for Gladbach.

If they fail to qualify, they are obviously out.
If they qualify, Dinamo Zagreb eliminate Red Bull Salzburg and Rostov eliminate Ajax, they will end up in pot 3.
Any other circumstance (most likely scenario), they will end up in pot 4.

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Gladbach winning 2-0 but currently Salzburg are going through (2-1 aggregate), so as things stand Gladbach are in pot 4.

EDIT: On the plus side, Rostov are now beating Ajax.
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Re: [2016-08-25] Bayern Munich vs ??? — CL draw

Postby MUTU » Wed Aug 24, 2016 9:33 pm

MUTU wrote:
MUTU wrote:So bad news for Gladbach.

If they fail to qualify, they are obviously out.
If they qualify, Dinamo Zagreb eliminate Red Bull Salzburg and Rostov eliminate Ajax, they will end up in pot 3.
Any other circumstance (most likely scenario), they will end up in pot 4.

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Gladbach winning 2-0 but currently Salzburg are going through (2-1 aggregate), so as things stand Gladbach are in pot 4.

EDIT: On the plus side, Rostov are now beating Ajax.

Salzburg and Dinamo Zagreb are currently equal! Injury time and if it ends 1-1 it will go to extra time. Gladbach need Zagreb to go through in order to end up in pot 3; otherwise they will be in pot 4.
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Re: [2016-08-25] Bayern Munich vs ??? — CL draw

Postby MUTU » Wed Aug 24, 2016 9:46 pm

Get in boy!!!! Zagreb score! Gladbach in pot 3 unless RB Salzburg score 2.
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Re: [2016-08-25] Bayern Munich vs ??? — CL draw

Postby MUTU » Wed Aug 24, 2016 9:51 pm

Pot 1:
Real Madrid 176.142
Bayern Munich 163.035
Barcelona 159.142
Benfica 116.616
PSG 112.549
Juventus 107.087
CSKA 48.716
Leicester City N/A

Pot 2:
Atlético Madrid 144.142
Borussia Dortmund 110.035
Arsenal 105.256
Manchester City 99.256
Sevilla 95.642
Porto 92.616
Napoli 90.087
Bayer Leverkusen 89.035

Pot 3:
Basel 87.755
Tottenham 74.256
Dynamo Kyiv 65.976
Lyon 63.049
PSV Eindhoven 57.112
Sporting CP 51.616
Club Brugge 43.000
[5] Red Bull Salzburg 42.520

Pot 3 or 4:
Borussia M'gladbach 42.035

Pot 4:
Celtic 40.460
Monaco 36.549
Besiktas 34.920
Legia Warsaw 28.000
[5] Dinamo Zagreb 25.775
Ludogrets Razgrad 25.625
Copenhagen 24.720
Rostov 11.716
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Re: [2016-08-25] Bayern Munich vs ??? — CL draw

Postby MUTU » Wed Aug 24, 2016 10:17 pm

JA! Gladbach have done it!

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Final pots

Pot 1:
Real Madrid 176.142
Bayern Munich 163.035
Barcelona 159.142
Benfica 116.616
PSG 112.549
Juventus 107.087
CSKA 48.716
Leicester City N/A

Pot 2:
Atlético Madrid 144.142
Borussia Dortmund 110.035
Arsenal 105.256
Manchester City 99.256
Sevilla 95.642
Porto 92.616
Napoli 90.087
Bayer Leverkusen 89.035

Pot 3:
Basel 87.755
Tottenham 74.256
Dynamo Kyiv 65.976
Lyon 63.049
PSV Eindhoven 57.112
Sporting CP 51.616
Club Brugge 43.000
Borussia M'gladbach 42.035

Pot 4:
Celtic 40.460
Monaco 36.549
Besiktas 34.920
Legia Warsaw 28.000
Dinamo Zagreb 25.775
Ludogrets Razgrad 25.625
Copenhagen 24.720
Rostov 11.716
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Re: [2016-08-25] Bayern Munich vs ??? — CL draw

Postby ottackon » Wed Aug 24, 2016 10:49 pm

Best Draw : Napoli - Brugge - Ludogrets
Worst Draw : Atlético - Tottenham - Monaco
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