FC Bayern Forum

SIMEONEisGOD wrote:Hi,

First of all, i would say that i'm a proud atletico fan, and i want to tell you only a few things:

1) I think that bayern has been the best team that we have ever faced in the last 5 years (when simeone joined atletico), both of us deserved to join the final, bayern is a wonderful team, i have never seen a team that plays so quickly and fast-touching, even better than barcelona, incredible, congratulations
2) Rumennigge is a very arrogant person, he has deserved to get an owned, i hope that you'll make him be quiet and he will shut up his mouth
3) I would like to know your opinion about the final, we are facing real madrid, our city rival, i'm very confused, i lived a nightmare two years ago, and now i'm between happiness and nightmare, i don't know what will happen, but i'm very confident on my team, a friend of mine, who lives in germany, has told me that in german tv it's said that atletico is clearly favourite

regards

tflags wrote:

Jorge wrote:Only an observation: possession football (that with endless passes in the midfield and few attacking bursts) like Guardiola unsuccessfully tried in his first season at Bayern is as boring as the Bilardo style that Simeone plays. Obviously there are fifty shades of colors in between. Guardiola started to abandon his all possession style in his second season and by this season adopted a more direct style where possession was only a component of a more varied style. On the other hand, based on what he has Simeone is 3 steps back compared to Bilardo himself, in a system where 2 lines of 4 are always behind the ball and only 2 floating players are allowed roam this Atletico looks more rigid than the scheme itself asks for, but it makes the team very impenetrable.

I said several times in this 3 years here: Pep's problem was not navigating Bayern through the Bundesliga or the Champions League campaign, his problem always was big games against big teams where he failed repeatedly to the point of suffering embarrassing defeats and that's how I always had the feeling that he was not going to win the CL with Bayern. Guardiola stormed the world of football with his intricate passing style during his first seasons at Barca but overtime other managers learned how to deal with it while Pep refused to evolve and he left Barcelona being defeated by a Chelsea side that looked as poor in resources as this Atletico. Once I realized that he had come to Munich to found Barca II and soon realize the bumpy ride ahead. I was so prepared for this last fiasco that I had no emotions coming into this game or after the game, something that I am experiencing for the first time in many years.

To Pep's little credit: he played the best game of his Bayern years last night, but it was too little too late. The first leg in Madrid without an away goal versus a team so hard to break had already put Bayern uphill.

Hardly the case. Bilardo is a nobody was it not for Maradona; a player that by and large defined the term 'carrying your team on your back' single handedly. No other player in history could be named so solely responsible for his team's successes so naming Bilardo the cause for that sucess is at the very least highly doubtful.

Your opinion is severely flawed as well. So is the criticism put upon a coach with the least options to lose his national records for three years straight. You say you foresaw problems coming. What I didn't foresee was three years where the closest anyone came to stealing Bayern's national titles were some bad referee calls at a Pokal semifinals and five points between here and the Ruhr when things mattered the most.

If you call that foreseeable problems then we must have been watching different leagues.

And this is exactly the problem with this forum. Fans don't respect a person's style of football when it constantly delivers trophies and missing the mark on quite a few ocasions. A Juventus failure preceded by a Juventus triumph or a Atlético debacle followed by a triumph of European football that would send the other side of these semifinals running for their bank accounts and cashing out.

No, I don't see a problem of style. We simply can't applaud style one game only to run back and dismiss it the next. So was it perfect? Hell no. I certainly wasn't. Problem is, you can't really expect perfection from a coach that can't have it both ways. You simply can't enforce this style, OR ANY for that matter, without the human part of the game and that is security, eagerness, aspiration. . . motivation. RAGE.

Bayern Munich lost the semifinals in 2016 because they walked into a game with their heads fulls and their hearts empty and they returned a goal down and more missed chances to settle the score than any since 2012. And that is, history has shown, the essence of football. You don't win if you don't want to or, in Atléticos' case, if someone wants it more.

Guardiola has his style of coaching. Like it or not it brings them titles by the load, but he still has a lot to learn at the highest levels. And that is why Heynckes walked out with them titles, and everyone's hearts.