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Re: [2017-08-24] 2017-18 Champions League group stage draw

Postby Effenberg777 » Mon Aug 21, 2017 5:40 pm

Yes. But doesnt matter too much group stage if you want to win the CL. And looking at Real team... :shock: . I smell troubles again this year
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Re: [2017-08-24] 2017-18 Champions League group stage draw

Postby MiaSanFCB » Mon Aug 21, 2017 6:24 pm

I hope we get either PSG, Liverpool and Nice 8)
or City, Napoli and Feyenoord.
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Re: [2017-08-24] 2017-18 Champions League group stage draw

Postby prasun77 » Mon Aug 21, 2017 6:30 pm

i got psg basel,apoel
anyways..i want


Bayern,Atletico,Basel,hapoel

I seriously want atletico so that we can get the monkey off our back. I have a very strong feeling that this time we are far superior and we may even "crush" them..
Also i want..
Real Madrid,PSG,Liverpool,RB leipzig
this then has a 10% chance of real madrid getting eliminated..If real madrid is eliminated we can literally walk our way to the trophy this year..
Mind you this is the last year..next year the english teams are getting strong enough,milan are coming,PSG will buy some more so it would be impossible for us.
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Re: [2017-08-24] 2017-18 Champions League group stage draw

Postby IsiahRashad » Mon Aug 21, 2017 7:25 pm

MUTU wrote:
RedQueen wrote:The draw simulator is already online.

https://draw.inker.fun/#/cl/gs

Still under the assumption that in the playoffs the seeded teams qualify.

Nice! In my simulation, it seems tough for the top 3 Spanish clubs.

A: Bayern, Atletico, Liverpool, APOEL
B: Juventus, Barcelona, Tottenham, Celtic
C: Benfica, PSG, Olympiakos, Maribor
D: Spartak Moscow, Man City, Besiktas, Sporting CP
E: Real Madrid, Man Utd, AS Roma, Feyenoord
F: AS Monaco, Porto, Napoli, Leipzig
G: Shakhtar Donetsk, Sevilla, Basel, Copenhagen
H: Chelsea, BVB, Anderlecht, CSKA Moscow



Here's mine,and they are looking deadly.

Group A-AS Monaco,Sevilla,FC Basel,RB Leipzig
Group B-Real Madrid,Borussia Dortmund,Anderlecht,NK Maribor
Group C-Chelsea,FC Porto,Olympiakos Piraeus,Feyenoord
Group D-Juventus,Manchester United,Besiktas,CSKA Moscow
Group E-Benfica,Atlético Madrid,Liverpool,Celtic
Group F-Shakhtar Donetsk,Paris Saint-Germain,AS Roma,FC København
Group G-Bayern München,Manchester City,Napoli,APOEL Nicosia
Group H-Spartak Moscow,FC Barcelona,Tottenham Hotspurs,Sporting CP Lisbon
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Re: [2017-08-24] 2017-18 Champions League group stage draw

Postby Cathe » Mon Aug 21, 2017 9:56 pm

My simulation:

Group A - Spartak Moscow, Man City, Anderlecht, Maribor
Group B - Bayern, Sevilla, Basel, Sporting Lisbon
Group C - Chelsea, PSG, Beskitas, Leipzig
Group D - RM, Porto, Napoli, Celtic
Group E - Monaco, Dortmund, Tottenham, CSKA Moscow
Group F - Juventus, Atletico, Liverpool, Kobenhaven
Group G - Benfica, ManU, Roma, Feynord
Group H - Shaktar, Barca, Olym, APOEL
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Re: [2017-08-24] 2017-18 Champions League group stage draw

Postby Lukas » Mon Aug 21, 2017 11:30 pm

Cathe wrote:My simulation:

Group A - Spartak Moscow, Man City, Anderlecht, Maribor
Group B - Bayern, Sevilla, Basel, Sporting Lisbon
Group C - Chelsea, PSG, Beskitas, Leipzig
Group D - RM, Porto, Napoli, Celtic
Group E - Monaco, Dortmund, Tottenham, CSKA Moscow
Group F - Juventus, Atletico, Liverpool, Kobenhaven
Group G - Benfica, ManU, Roma, Feynord
Group H - Shaktar, Barca, Olym, APOEL

That Group C. The Group of Plastic (except Besiktas) :lol:
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Re: [2017-08-24] 2017-18 Champions League group stage draw

Postby America USA » Tue Aug 22, 2017 7:00 am

I got three groups of death.

Group A - Juventus, PSG, Liverpool, APOEL
Group B - Chelsea, Atletico, Olympiacos, Sporting Lisbon
Group C - Bayern, Barcelona, Roma, Maribor
Group D - Benfica, Manchester United, Anderlecht, CSKA
Group E - Real, Man City, Napoli, Rotterdam
Group F - Shaktar, Dortmund, Besiktas, Celtic
Group G - Monaco, Porto, Tottenham, Copenhagen
Group H - Spartak, Sevilla, Basel, Leipzig

I'd like this kind if group for us. Will be a good test! And if Bayern fail to qualify then so be it. Also Beer Sheva will most likely knock out Maribor.
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Re: [2017-08-24] 2017-18 Champions League group stage draw

Postby MUTU » Tue Aug 22, 2017 7:49 am

I've always said this thing... a group is difficult to qualify from (a.k.a. group of death) is much dependent on the quality of the 3rd best team (on paper) in the group. I think Napoli, Tottenham and Liverpool are the biggest three candidates to form a group of death.
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Re: [2017-08-24] 2017-18 Champions League group stage draw

Postby RedQueen » Tue Aug 22, 2017 8:26 am

Thanks to the rule change concerning pot1, there's a 50/50 chance for the other German teams to draw a beatable opponent.

Real Madrid,
Bayern,
Chelsea,
Juventus,
Benfica,
Monaco,
Spartak Moscow,
Shakhtar Donetsk

The bottom four should all be beatable for both Dortmund and Leipzig, maybe even Hoffe should they somehow prevail over Liverpool.

The change may have made for more interesting fixtures, but looking at the draw, it's a bit unfair really, as the quality of the pot1 teams is so uneven.
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Re: [2017-08-24] 2017-18 Champions League group stage draw

Postby MUTU » Tue Aug 22, 2017 9:36 am

RedQueen wrote:The bottom four should all be beatable for both Dortmund and Leipzig, maybe even Hoffe should they somehow prevail over Liverpool.

I wish I shared your optimism. I think Leipzig would only find Moscow and Donetsk manageable but would struggle against Benfica and Monaco mainly due to lack of experience. For the seasoned Dortmund side it should be easier, especially given they're in pot 2.
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Re: [2017-08-24] 2017-18 Champions League group stage draw

Postby RedQueen » Tue Aug 22, 2017 10:19 am

MUTU wrote:
RedQueen wrote:The bottom four should all be beatable for both Dortmund and Leipzig, maybe even Hoffe should they somehow prevail over Liverpool.

I wish I shared your optimism. I think Leipzig would only find Moscow and Donetsk manageable but would struggle against Benfica and Monaco mainly due to lack of experience. For the seasoned Dortmund side it should be easier, especially given they're in pot 2.

A completely out of form Leverkusen held Monaco at bay last season, and that was before Monaco lost half their team. They'll probably even lose Mbappé. Leipzig's B-team (and that was a real B-team, not one regular starter in that team) beat Benfica in the Emirates Cup, albeit Benfica didn't play a full strength team either and it was just a friendly.

When I'm saying those teams are beatable for Leipzig I don't mean they *will* beat them. I honestly don't know what we can expect from Leipzig this season, mostly because of their inexperience. Seems the higher echelons at the club don't know it either. Rangnick was on Doppelpass on Sunday, saying all he wants is a season without worries, and it would be an even bigger sensation than last season if they qualify for CL again. There are so many unknowns in the equation with this team. But on a good day they can beat both Monaco and Benfica, definitely.
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Re: [2017-08-24] 2017-18 Champions League group stage draw

Postby ramsej84 » Tue Aug 22, 2017 10:33 am

I did it again...

Bayern Munich - Seville - Basel - Sporting

Juve - Dortmund - Liverpool - CSKA

Benfica - Atletic - Tottenham - RB Leipzig

Chelsea - Barcelona - Olympiakos - Apoel

Monaco - Porto - Roma - Copenhagen

Spartak M - Man C - Napoli - Feyenoord

Real - PSG - Anderlecht - Maribor

Donetsk - Man U - Besiktas - Celtic
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Re: [2017-08-24] 2017-18 Champions League group stage draw

Postby MUTU » Wed Aug 23, 2017 7:00 am

MUTU wrote:Tick tock, group stage draw. Made the following but potentially has mistakes.

Pot 1: Real Madrid, Bayern, Chelsea, Juventus, Benfica, Monaco, Spartak Moscow, Shakhtar Donetsk
Pot 2: Barcelona, Atletico, PSG, BVB, Man City, Porto, Man Utd, Sevilla*
Pot 2 or 3: Napoli*, Tottenham
Pot 3: Basel, Anderlecht, Olympiacos*, Roma, Beşiktaş, Liverpool*
Pot 3 or 4: CSKA Moscow*, København*, Sporting CP*, Celtic*, APOEL*, Feyenoord
Pot 4: FCSB*, Young Boys*, Qarabag*, NK Maribor*, FC Astana*, RB Leipzig, Rijeka*, Nice*, Hoffenheim*, Hapoel Beer Sheva*, Istanbul*, Slavia Praha*

* need to qualify

Update!

Pot 1: Real Madrid, Bayern, Chelsea, Juventus, Benfica, Monaco, Spartak Moscow, Shakhtar Donetsk
Pot 2: Barcelona, Atletico, PSG, BVB, Man City, Porto, Man Utd, Sevilla
Pot 3: Napoli, Tottenham, Basel, Anderlecht, Olympiacos, Roma, Beşiktaş, Liverpool*
Pot 3 or 4: CSKA Moscow*, København*, Sporting CP*, Celtic
Pot 4: APOEL*, Feyenoord, FCSB*, Young Boys*, Qarabag*, NK Maribor, RB Leipzig, Hoffenheim*, Slavia Praha*

* need to qualify

PS: out of our 7 options from pot 2, 3 are Spanish and two are English.
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Re: [2017-08-24] 2017-18 Champions League group stage draw

Postby ramsej84 » Wed Aug 23, 2017 8:26 am

if Napoli can continue with this champagne football that they are playing I can see them reaching the semis, and I am not joking.
In the last editions there was always a surprise team with the usual three... apart from last year...
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Re: [2017-08-24] 2017-18 Champions League group stage draw

Postby MUTU » Wed Aug 23, 2017 8:28 am

ramsej84 wrote:if Napoli can continue with this champagne football that they are playing I can see them reaching the semis, and I am not joking.
In the last editions there was always a surprise team with the usual three... apart from last year...

They are definitely in pot 3. If they get a top club from pot 1 there's a good chance they won't make it past the group stage, and I am not joking either. Potentially they could get Real Madrid and PSG in their group.
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