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2016/2017 UEFA Champions League Discussion Thread

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Re: 2016/2017 UEFA Champions League Discussion Thread

Postby Dumbledore7 » Sun Jun 04, 2017 2:21 am

Madrid just won the CL with the best regista on the planet, what are you guys on about...
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Re: 2016/2017 UEFA Champions League Discussion Thread

Postby Manchu » Sun Jun 04, 2017 2:28 am

Dumbledore7 wrote:Madrid just won the CL with the best regista on the planet, what are you guys on about...

Yeah, but they don't prioritize possession over all other concerns.
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Re: 2016/2017 UEFA Champions League Discussion Thread

Postby Effenberg777 » Sun Jun 04, 2017 2:41 am

Depressing to watch former bayern players in a final. Mandzu and kross .
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Re: 2016/2017 UEFA Champions League Discussion Thread

Postby Larhm » Sun Jun 04, 2017 3:24 am

Looks like Kroos made the right choice leaving us =D>
3 champions league title in 4 years. My god.
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Re: 2016/2017 UEFA Champions League Discussion Thread

Postby PunkCapitalist » Sun Jun 04, 2017 4:08 am

Dumbledore7 wrote:Madrid just won the CL with the best regista on the planet, what are you guys on about...

Kroos plays alongside a proper destroyer in Casemiro, something we haven't done since 2012-2013. Benítez kept pushing Kroos-Modric-Isco/James and failed miserably. We kept pushing any combination of midfielders which never features a real destroyer, we failed miserably.

Zidane's football is as uncomplicated as it get; a proper 3-men MF balance featuring a proper DM, 2 proper defensive CBs, 3 inside forwards, and 2 very fast and attacking FBs. The source of their strength is a) character and b) simplicity and balance in tactics.

I really hope we can play similarly next season;

Alexis-Lewy-Müller
Thiago-Javi-Vidal
Alaba-Hummels-Boateng-Kimmich(?)
Neuer

No more bullshit, just direct, simple football.

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Re: 2016/2017 UEFA Champions League Discussion Thread

Postby aterford » Sun Jun 04, 2017 4:10 am

Manchu wrote:
Dumbledore7 wrote:Madrid just won the CL with the best regista on the planet, what are you guys on about...

Yeah, but they don't prioritize possession over all other concerns.


Neither did Bayern under Guardiola. This is a reductive, simplistic take for people who don't care to actually watch matches with their own eyes.
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Re: 2016/2017 UEFA Champions League Discussion Thread

Postby PunkCapitalist » Sun Jun 04, 2017 4:14 am

aterford wrote:
Manchu wrote:
Dumbledore7 wrote:Madrid just won the CL with the best regista on the planet, what are you guys on about...

Yeah, but they don't prioritize possession over all other concerns.


Neither did Bayern under Guardiola. This is a reductive, simplistic take for people who don't care to actually watch matches with their own eyes.

Oh, fgs... Last four seasons our build up has become so slow and cautious... It's gotten even worse with Ancelotti. At least Pep introduced the awful, but somehow effective, quasi-442 tactics at his final season.

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Re: 2016/2017 UEFA Champions League Discussion Thread

Postby Jorge » Sun Jun 04, 2017 4:17 am

It is quite simple the Real Madrid formula: the most efficient midfield trio in the world right now, how they supplement each other in such a way that they first wear the opponent out, then they destroy controlling the game: Cassemiro-Kroos-Modric was too much for Juventus. Some are claiming here that Kroos "disappeared": wrong! Kroos was an integral and indispensable part of the trio that gave anyone watching a lesson on how football is played in simple terms. Zidane himself said it: Kroos is that type of player that you do not notice when he is on the field but you miss a lot when he is not on the field.

Apart form that, goal one was a play initiated by Kroos who made a well timed run to Juventus' box and changed the front of attack while their back four was still unsettled; goal two was the result of a poor clearance out of a Kroos shot, that's enough contribution from a deep midfield player. The rest of the game: he did his job in a fluid manner.

I am not sure that we match them in midfield at the moment, maybe Thiago can be the equivalent of Modric, he has the talent but I do not think that he has the mental strength yet. We do not have a destroyer to cover the back of a dynamic midfield duo like Cassemiro does. Martinez was some time ago, I doubt that he has the legs or tactical discipline to be as reliable since he looked out of tempo when he climbed to challenge high on the field this season. Vidal has the engine and stamina but he is a liability in that role. Then Madrid has ex-Bayern Kroos who is above any player in our current roster when it comes to ball retention, passing skills to dictate play from deep midfield and give oxygen to the team going forward through positioning, tactically Kroos is well above Thiago and Vidal. Our equivalent tactical player was Alonso and we all know his limitations. We have to wait a see how our midfield is reshaped this coming season, we do not have to copy them and it will come down to how creative Ancelotti will be based on the talent that we have but at the moment Madrid seems to have a fomula in place while we will be experimenting to create one.
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Re: 2016/2017 UEFA Champions League Discussion Thread

Postby JANCKER » Sun Jun 04, 2017 4:24 am

Ancelotti's former understudy Zidane(rookie) wins the CL two times in a row. :coffee: Not even the best Barca ever could achieve that, food for thought.
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Re: 2016/2017 UEFA Champions League Discussion Thread

Postby PunkCapitalist » Sun Jun 04, 2017 4:32 am

Don't see why Javi cannot readapt to playing DM. If not him, then Rudy will have to do. Thiago can perfectly play the Kroos role. The third position should either be a B2B (Vidal) or a creative MF (someone like James). If rather the second option, to compensate for Kimmich's probable shortcomings as a RB and Müller and Lewy's lack of creativity.

But the most important thing is finding a balanced MF. That's what separates Madrids from us, not quality (at MF). A DM is a must, specially considering Alaba and Boateng's defensive shortcomings.

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Re: 2016/2017 UEFA Champions League Discussion Thread

Postby nm462272 » Sun Jun 04, 2017 4:48 am

watched the game live at a pub... seemed like most of the crowd was cheering for Juve, which is surprising here. However, there was a small group of Madrid fans that kept yelling offensive cheers... really annoyed that fans like that get to celebrate :evil:
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Re: 2016/2017 UEFA Champions League Discussion Thread

Postby Jorge » Sun Jun 04, 2017 5:44 am

A kind of supports the point that I made above, the midfield trio rated all 9's and 8; from ESPNFC:
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Re: 2016/2017 UEFA Champions League Discussion Thread

Postby Jorge » Sun Jun 04, 2017 5:59 am

La Bestia Negra wrote:
I honestly thought Juve's defense was better as a unit than ours


In 90 minutes Zidane's team put more goals past Juve than the rest of Europe had managed in the whole of this season's competition. And this includes 180 minutes versus almighty Barcelona with the famous MNS trident.
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Re: 2016/2017 UEFA Champions League Discussion Thread

Postby ramsej84 » Sun Jun 04, 2017 8:55 am

nm462272 wrote:watched the game live at a pub... seemed like most of the crowd was cheering for Juve, which is surprising here. However, there was a small group of Madrid fans that kept yelling offensive cheers... really annoyed that fans like that get to celebrate :evil:

Football is so cruel...

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Re: 2016/2017 UEFA Champions League Discussion Thread

Postby ramsej84 » Sun Jun 04, 2017 9:02 am

Another thing about yest match is , the fact that Juve play in a league that with just 75% effort they can beat any other team.
They are used to play in slow paced league so they find life difficult against other teams from Spain Ger and Eng.
Obviously they can make up to that by tactocs, approach but it is not always easy especially in a final

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