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[2017-08-26] Werder Bremen vs Bayern Munich

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What is your prediction for this match?

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Werder Bremen will win
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Re: [2017-08-26] Werder Bremen vs Bayern Munich

Postby Manchu » Sat Aug 26, 2017 6:17 pm

PunkCapitalist wrote:Btw, didn't Tolisso pre-assist both goals? (Or was it a Goal and Müller's almost goal?). I like the guy.

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Vidal pre-assisted the first goal, Hummels the second. Tolisso had a really great through pass for Muller's almost goal and almost scored in the first half. He's great.

More generally,
Positives:
We continue looking very dangerous from setpieces and almost had two goals from them. That's particularly good because we're more likely to get set piece opportunities than open field chances against big teams.
Defensively, we were great. Didn't let Werder create anything.
Neuer playing made us about 200% more press resistant. He get's a lot of (rightful) attention for his great saves, but not enough for his role in possession.

Negatives:
We couldn't create anything until Coman and Muller came on, at which point the game opened up tremendously. Unfortunately, we're in a situation where we over rely way too much on one player(Muller) to create chances while we have a coach who doesn't realize that we over rely on that player. My patience is just about through with Ancelotti.
gumboduncan wrote:I thought this game was well coached by Carlo. He gave the starting lineup 64 minutes and when that lineup wasn't producing enough chances he reacted. Brought in Coman and he brought pace and fresh legs. The he added Muller for and both substitutions produced right away.

Please explain how he coached this game badly.

When a team plays like crap for 65 minutes until the coach brings on two subs and then immediately starts playing much better, people are inclined to wonder if those two players should have started.
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Re: [2017-08-26] Werder Bremen vs Bayern Munich

Postby Roonzil » Sat Aug 26, 2017 6:55 pm

Couple of things after watching this game:

1. Thiago has not played a single full game in pre-season, yet gets a start and plays 90 mins. That's not smart, and you could clearly see his rust in his passing and interceptions. Not to mention how his skills are far more useful on a deeper position on the pitch.

2. 4231 with two inverted wingers and a deeper 10, results in a very sterile attack against a bus parking team. The middle of the pitch was overcrowded and we were easy to defend against. I get Lewandowski's frustration, when you have this set-up with these type of players. He's on an island 9 out of 10 times.

3. Ribery and Robben should really be supersubs...they're great players. But their hogging of the ball, and tantrums when they get taken off (or put on the bench), is making my blood boil.

4. Why was Rudy benched? Like, for real....he had good games, and is fit, why did he not start? Not to mention our good set piece results have been greatly influenced by Rudy's talents of taking them. If only for that he should be on that bloody pitch.

5. I am glad (so glad) Lahm and Alonso decided to retire after last season. I'm sure they would've still played, and we wouldn't have had Tolisso or Kimmich on the pitch.

6. I am liking the Süle/Hummels partnership.
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Re: [2017-08-26] Werder Bremen vs Bayern Munich

Postby tflags » Sat Aug 26, 2017 7:16 pm

I'm really not drawing many conclusions from today. Like I said Robbery needed a lot of match practice as well as Thiago. Coming from the other side though Bremen didn't have much firepower to mount any serious threats so the defense came off untested.
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Re: [2017-08-26] Werder Bremen vs Bayern Munich

Postby Roonzil » Sat Aug 26, 2017 7:23 pm

tflags wrote:I'm really not drawing many conclusions from today. Like I said Robbery needed a lot of match practice as well as Thiago. Coming from the other side though Bremen didn't have much firepower to mount any serious threats so the defense came off untested.


Wait...Ribery has played the entire pre-season. What more match practice could he use?
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Re: [2017-08-26] Werder Bremen vs Bayern Munich

Postby Bentonomo » Sat Aug 26, 2017 8:14 pm

Rudy was a clear starter #-o
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Re: [2017-08-26] Werder Bremen vs Bayern Munich

Postby FCBayernMunchen » Sat Aug 26, 2017 8:37 pm

Roonzil wrote:Couple of things after watching this game:

1. Thiago has not played a single full game in pre-season, yet gets a start and plays 90 mins. That's not smart, and you could clearly see his rust in his passing and interceptions. Not to mention how his skills are far more useful on a deeper position on the pitch.

2. 4231 with two inverted wingers and a deeper 10, results in a very sterile attack against a bus parking team. The middle of the pitch was overcrowded and we were easy to defend against. I get Lewandowski's frustration, when you have this set-up with these type of players. He's on an island 9 out of 10 times.

3. Ribery and Robben should really be supersubs...they're great players. But their hogging of the ball, and tantrums when they get taken off (or put on the bench), is making my blood boil.

4. Why was Rudy benched? Like, for real....he had good games, and is fit, why did he not start? Not to mention our good set piece results have been greatly influenced by Rudy's talents of taking them. If only for that he should be on that bloody pitch.

5. I am glad (so glad) Lahm and Alonso decided to retire after last season. I'm sure they would've still played, and we wouldn't have had Tolisso or Kimmich on the pitch.

6. I am liking the Süle/Hummels partnership.


100% agree om all points, particularly the first 3.

It baffles me that a coach with such extensive experience cannot comprehend some of these issues because they are very obvious to everyone else, it seems.


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Re: [2017-08-26] Werder Bremen vs Bayern Munich

Postby rthebest » Sat Aug 26, 2017 8:55 pm

I agree Robben and Ribery shouldn't be starter or at least not together.
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Re: [2017-08-26] Werder Bremen vs Bayern Munich

Postby tflags » Sat Aug 26, 2017 8:56 pm

Roonzil wrote:
tflags wrote:I'm really not drawing many conclusions from today. Like I said Robbery needed a lot of match practice as well as Thiago. Coming from the other side though Bremen didn't have much firepower to mount any serious threats so the defense came off untested.


Wait...Ribery has played the entire pre-season. What more match practice could he use?


In competitive matches I mean. But yes, he has played more than the other previous non-starters.
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Re: [2017-08-26] Werder Bremen vs Bayern Munich

Postby aterford » Sat Aug 26, 2017 11:24 pm

Roonzil wrote:Couple of things after watching this game:

1. Thiago has not played a single full game in pre-season, yet gets a start and plays 90 mins. That's not smart, and you could clearly see his rust in his passing and interceptions. Not to mention how his skills are far more useful on a deeper position on the pitch.

2. 4231 with two inverted wingers and a deeper 10, results in a very sterile attack against a bus parking team. The middle of the pitch was overcrowded and we were easy to defend against. I get Lewandowski's frustration, when you have this set-up with these type of players. He's on an island 9 out of 10 times.

3. Ribery and Robben should really be supersubs...they're great players. But their hogging of the ball, and tantrums when they get taken off (or put on the bench), is making my blood boil.

4. Why was Rudy benched? Like, for real....he had good games, and is fit, why did he not start? Not to mention our good set piece results have been greatly influenced by Rudy's talents of taking them. If only for that he should be on that bloody pitch.

5. I am glad (so glad) Lahm and Alonso decided to retire after last season. I'm sure they would've still played, and we wouldn't have had Tolisso or Kimmich on the pitch.

6. I am liking the Süle/Hummels partnership.


Just a few additions here:

1. Yeah, that was weird. I was under the impression that Thiago wasn't even a sure thing to play next week's international match for Spain vs Italy (as in he wasn't going to be 100% healthy in time). So it was a real head-scratcher to see him play today.

2. We're terribly predictable in attack. Any team with four warm bodies in defense figures us out so easily. It's not even that we don't have creative players - but that our plan of attack is basically to run headlong into a wall until there's a breakthrough.

3. Sad but true. Hate to say it but they're simply not 90 minute players any more. Even though he's still pretty raw and couldn't cross to save his life today, Coman was a huge improvement from the moment he touched the pitch. IMO, he should be starting from here on out, perhaps put in Ribery/Robben for last 30 rather than the other way around. They have shown that they still have brilliant moments, but nowadays these moments are getting surrounded more and more by poor play. I'm not saying to bench them altogether or anything, but I think it'll be more effective for the team and the player(s) if they don't play so many minutes/so frequently.

4. Similar to #1 - with Thiago seemingly not 100% fit yet and Rudy playing very well I thought it was a no-brainer to start Rudy. Didn't get that one.

5. I love both those guys - two of my favorite players ever - but this is true. Carlo would play them both into their 40s. In some ways, it makes me wish that Ribery and/or Robben would choose to retire as well, but it feels like that won't happen. I know that sounds bad, but I'd rather see them acknowledge on their own terms when it's time to walk away, as we have shown a great reluctance to phase aging players out, even when it's detrimental to our play.

6. Yea, they play great together. Makes me wonder if Javi will be around much longer. He's presumably #4 CB right now.
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Re: [2017-08-26] Werder Bremen vs Bayern Munich

Postby ramsej84 » Sat Aug 26, 2017 11:34 pm

Ancelotti could have been working in favour of his NT by playing Thiago today

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Re: [2017-08-26] Werder Bremen vs Bayern Munich

Postby America USA » Sun Aug 27, 2017 12:57 am

ramsej84 wrote:Ancelotti could have been working in favour of his NT by playing Thiago today

That's some serious allegation man! Not completely out of the realm of possibility though. :mrgreen:
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Re: [2017-08-26] Werder Bremen vs Bayern Munich

Postby dambun » Sun Aug 27, 2017 10:17 am

At this very early stage in the season, Ancelotti's decision making and our team's very low-intensity playing style makes me very worried for the long season ahead of us!

What I see from our team is by no means football at the highest European level.
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