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[2017-10-01] Hertha BSC vs Bayern Munich

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What is your prediction for this match?

Poll ended at Sun Oct 01, 2017 2:30 pm

Hertha BSC will win
1
11%
It will end in a draw
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Bayern Munich will win
8
89%
 
Total votes : 9

Re: [2017-10-01] Hertha BSC vs Bayern Munich

Postby bayern1982 » Sun Oct 01, 2017 5:00 pm

JANCKER wrote:Our defense is too passive, they just sit and watch... bring in some actual defenders.

and Ancolleti got so much flack for not starting Boateng and Hummels. Look at how awful they were today on defence.
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Re: [2017-10-01] Hertha BSC vs Bayern Munich

Postby rthebest » Sun Oct 01, 2017 5:03 pm

bayern1982 wrote:We look stupid for getting rid of Ancelloti. It's embarrassing tbh.!


embarrassing yes, stupid for sacking Ancelotti no. I don't think anyone could clean up his mess after just 4 days.
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Re: [2017-10-01] Hertha BSC vs Bayern Munich

Postby tflags » Sun Oct 01, 2017 5:03 pm

bayern1982 wrote:
JANCKER wrote:Our defense is too passive, they just sit and watch... bring in some actual defenders.

and Ancolleti got so much flack for not starting Boateng and Hummels. Look at how awful they were today on defence.

They scored the first goal. And the attacks came from Alaba's zone which was unmarked form the entire game.
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Re: [2017-10-01] Hertha BSC vs Bayern Munich

Postby bmguy » Sun Oct 01, 2017 5:04 pm

bayern1982 wrote:We look stupid for getting rid of Ancelloti. It's embarrassing tbh.

Loaning out Costa was a big mistake. I don't think Ribery can start anymore.

I still can't belive we don't have a back up striker. crazy!


I think it's enough for Ancelotti, no more to say.
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Re: [2017-10-01] Hertha BSC vs Bayern Munich

Postby rthebest » Sun Oct 01, 2017 5:07 pm

the teams needs a tactical savvy coach, decent attackers and a midfield general like the one we had and gave him to Real gift wrapped.
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Re: [2017-10-01] Hertha BSC vs Bayern Munich

Postby FCBayernMunchen » Sun Oct 01, 2017 5:08 pm

Costa would offer no improvement over this Ribery. Coman is the solution, yet they won't play him for some reason.
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Re: [2017-10-01] Hertha BSC vs Bayern Munich

Postby bastos80 » Sun Oct 01, 2017 5:13 pm

JANCKER wrote:
bastos80 wrote:
JANCKER wrote:Our defense is too passive, they just sit and watch... bring in some actual defenders.



The defense is just the sufferer at the end of the error chain.


Our opponents score 100% of their chances... it's on the defense no matter what.



It's on the whole team. Including the midfield, defense and the goalkeeper.
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Re: [2017-10-01] Hertha BSC vs Bayern Munich

Postby #12 » Sun Oct 01, 2017 5:15 pm

bmguy wrote:Sagnol is too conservative for our taste, this is not Bayern we want to see.


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Re: [2017-10-01] Hertha BSC vs Bayern Munich

Postby bastos80 » Sun Oct 01, 2017 5:18 pm

If you think Sagnol did the line-up you're very naive.
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Re: [2017-10-01] Hertha BSC vs Bayern Munich

Postby James11 » Sun Oct 01, 2017 5:57 pm

It would be different if Muller played since the first minute. Sangol out, we need Muller
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Re: [2017-10-01] Hertha BSC vs Bayern Munich

Postby MUTU » Sun Oct 01, 2017 6:00 pm

bastos80 wrote:If you think Sagnol did the line-up you're very naive.

What, Ancelotti sent Sagnol a WhatsApp message with 11 names to stick on the wall?
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Re: [2017-10-01] Hertha BSC vs Bayern Munich

Postby James11 » Sun Oct 01, 2017 6:17 pm

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Re: [2017-10-01] Hertha BSC vs Bayern Munich

Postby kingbayern » Sun Oct 01, 2017 6:19 pm

We are quite bad..that all I am saying..if we are real with ourselves we have a massive drop in quality.
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Re: [2017-10-01] Hertha BSC vs Bayern Munich

Postby #12 » Sun Oct 01, 2017 6:25 pm

kingbayern wrote:We are quite bad..that all I am saying..if we are real with ourselves we have a massive drop in quality.


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Re: [2017-10-01] Hertha BSC vs Bayern Munich

Postby Manchu » Sun Oct 01, 2017 6:38 pm

rthebest wrote:the problem is and has been the midfield since Ancelotti took over and specially beginning of this season. They simply cannot create the link between defence and attack.

I wasn't able to watch the game, but looking at our lineup, it seems we fielded the weakest possible midfield. We had available Rudy, Thiago, Kimmich, Tolisso, and Martinez, and we played Tolisso and Martinez together for some reason. Martinez hasn't really played midfield in years and didn't play well there in the preseason, and Tolisso has never impressed me in the slightest. More importantly, neither of them are registas, and they aren't capable of dictating play and creating a link between the defense and the attack. In fact, this is the only possible midfield that we could have played that doesn't include a regista.*

We could have played a Thiago-Rudy pairing(a Kroos-Rudy midfield two was quite impressive for Germany the one time it has been tried), or we could have dropped one of them(probably Rudy) and played with Kimmich in midfield and Rafinha as right back. We also could have dropped Ribery or Robben and added James, which would also help our midfield because we would have two attacking players(Muller and James) that often drop back and help out in midfield. Any of those changes would have created a greater link between the defense and attack, and all of them would offer more protection to the defense. Moreover, all of them would help protect the defense more than the horrid midfield we got.

Fix the midfield and everything else will fall into place. Thoughts?

*Notably, we were really horrible in preseason when we tried playing without a regista.
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