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[2015-03-07] Hannover 96 vs Bayern Munich

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What is your prediction for this match?

Poll ended at Sat Mar 07, 2015 3:30 pm

Hannover 96 will win
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It will end in a draw
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Bayern Munich will win
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Total votes : 5

Re: [2015-03-07] Hannover 96 vs Bayern Munich

Postby shindouhikaru888 » Sun Mar 08, 2015 2:40 pm

The reason it wasn't a penalty is not because it was the head or not the head. Ethically speaking, Lewandowski puts himself in this dangerous, accidential situation by trying to perform a questionable diving header as it does not seems to be a goalscoring opportunity nor does it seems to be a successful diving header by his form. Whether it is reasonable for the referee to call on a penalty within the time frame and its limit to replay does not make a "no penalty" to a penalty, and i have no comment on that. Regarding to people who over exaggerate our opinion to the point in which we want Alaba 30m free kick, Lewandowski overkick, or a 5-0 scoreline, i've never begged or mentioned about it, so please STOP over exaggerting. Wanting to puke because of our opinion and asking where are we from? Are u trying to be a racist or what? Also, i do not understand why some are claiming us to be overreacting when they are overreacting to our dissenting opinions. This is clearly disappointing.
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Re: [2015-03-07] Hannover 96 vs Bayern Munich

Postby RAJBAYERN » Sun Mar 08, 2015 3:02 pm

I understand that Lewandowski created a dangerous play by moving down his head. But the referee did not consider this for the penalty.

The fact here is that the defender made contact in Lewandowski, who had the best option for score, so for some of you isn’t fault because he contact his head, but what if there was his leg instead of his head?.....

The referee just consider the penalty, because the defender made contact in Lewandowski, who had the best option to attack the ball.

If the defender touched the ball before making contact in Lewa, it wasn’t fault, but he didn’t. He just interrupt the man who had the best opportunity to score.
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Re: [2015-03-07] Hannover 96 vs Bayern Munich

Postby RodePiet » Sun Mar 08, 2015 5:04 pm

Well...

Boateng came with Jupp, not with LVG. And Van Buyten took Boateng's starting spot quite a few times with Heynckes. I remember that there were some rumours of him wanting to leave just before we won the treble.

Now Boateng is a BEAST with Pep and we must accept that Dante's best days are gone. And it's a pity because his treble season was a joy to watch. What happened to that Dante we all loved :dante: :cry:[/quote]


oops...you are indeed correct about Boa...apologies
I still think the Pep high line leaves the defense exposed. I quite well remember that everyone was out to lynch Van Buyten when Van Gaal was in charge in quite similar fashion to what is going on with Dante now. One of the most well used refrains was that he was past it and it was time to get rid of him. Jupp becomes the new manager and all of a sudden, VB looked quite solid (at least, this is what I recall) Dante was a beast with 'Gladbach and also with Heynckes; Pep comes along and he starts messing up more and more.
Also, we can point fingers and debate who screwed up but the bottom line is that I start getting that uneasy, VG era feeling in my gut every time even the lowest level team breaks on Bayern because the defense looks so at sixes and sevens...with the talent of this team, that seems sad.
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Re: [2015-03-07] Hannover 96 vs Bayern Munich

Postby DerKaiser » Sun Mar 08, 2015 8:08 pm

"Dangerous Play" (or playing in a dangerous manner) is any action by a player that in the judgment of the Referee is dangerous to himself or to another player and that isn't a "direct kick foul" such as tripping. Examples would be a high kick when an opponent is nearby, or if a player tries to head a low ball that an opponent is trying to kick, then the player who is putting himself in danger would be guilty of dangerous play. Another example would be any action that might endanger the goalkeeper within the Penalty Box. If the goalkeeper and an opponent both go for a loose ball, the Referee will tend to favor the goalkeeper if there is a collision. It isn't necessary for someone to be hurt for dangerous play to be called. For example, slide tackling with spikes high would be dangerous play, even if the opponent isn't contacted. However, a dangerous act (such as a high kick) isn't "dangerous play" unless an opponent is nearby.
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Re: [2015-03-07] Hannover 96 vs Bayern Munich

Postby lau03143 » Sun Mar 08, 2015 8:13 pm

DerKaiser wrote:"Dangerous Play" (or playing in a dangerous manner) is any action by a player that in the judgment of the Referee is dangerous to himself or to another player and that isn't a "direct kick foul" such as tripping. Examples would be a high kick when an opponent is nearby, or if a player tries to head a low ball that an opponent is trying to kick, then the player who is putting himself in danger would be guilty of dangerous play. Another example would be any action that might endanger the goalkeeper within the Penalty Box. If the goalkeeper and an opponent both go for a loose ball, the Referee will tend to favor the goalkeeper if there is a collision. It isn't necessary for someone to be hurt for dangerous play to be called. For example, slide tackling with spikes high would be dangerous play, even if the opponent isn't contacted. However, a dangerous act (such as a high kick) isn't "dangerous play" unless an opponent is nearby.

And here is the link to the rules.

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Re: [2015-03-07] Hannover 96 vs Bayern Munich

Postby Element » Sun Mar 08, 2015 9:01 pm

zozon wrote:
Wow, what an ignorant and stupid post!

These kinds of offensive posts are not allowed here , You -obviously- should have chosen better words to express your meaning without being offensive , i will let this incident pass by with just a warning

Now Back to the Penalty , I think that it was a Penalty , Lewandowski was Close , wanted to score and all the defender does is hitting Lewandowski's Head:

1-It cant be counted as Dangerous play, Because It was Actually Lewandowski who has put himself in that danger
2-In football , Preventing A Goal by a Foul is a direct Red Card , Here the defender did not Try to Stop the chance by hitting Him , he tried to clear the ball , The Defender failed to do that as Lewandowski was closer , So Also no Red Card

3-What Happened is Simple as This: The Striker wanted to score and was closer to the ball , the Defender tried to clear the ball but all he does is Hitting the Striker preventing him from scoring ,So it IS A PENALTY IN MY OPINION even If Lewandowski had used his foot instead of his head

the head being involved made the foul look much worse than it is though
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Re: [2015-03-07] Hannover 96 vs Bayern Munich

Postby RAJBAYERN » Sun Mar 08, 2015 9:04 pm

As I wrote before, the referee consider the penalty, because the defender made contact in Lewandowski, who had the best option to attack the ball.

If the defender touched the ball before making contact in Lewa, it wasn’t fault, but he didn’t. He just interrupt the man who had the best opportunity to score.

It is penalty, now focus in champions league.
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Re: [2015-03-07] Hannover 96 vs Bayern Munich

Postby ramsej84 » Sun Mar 08, 2015 11:09 pm

I would like to see what the experts had to say about the incident I know that SKYBundesliga were going to discuss it with Dr.Merk but I did not follow it...
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Re: [2015-03-07] Hannover 96 vs Bayern Munich

Postby Ottomeister13 » Sun Mar 08, 2015 11:50 pm

Merk said no penalty because Lewa's head was to low..
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Re: [2015-03-07] Hannover 96 vs Bayern Munich

Postby RAJBAYERN » Mon Mar 09, 2015 3:13 am

Ottomeister13 wrote:Merk said no penalty because Lewa's head was to low..


So it is penalty if the fault was in his leg, but do not in his head. #-o

the moral of this story is: In football, never but never move your head down, you could be killed :?
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Re: [2015-03-07] Hannover 96 vs Bayern Munich

Postby jrm13 » Mon Mar 09, 2015 6:16 am

Saw new posts, came here hoping to read some more intelligent discussion about the match. :roll:
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Re: [2015-03-07] Hannover 96 vs Bayern Munich

Postby MUTU » Mon Mar 09, 2015 7:19 am

Ottomeister13 wrote:Lol Mutu, it is not a penalty.. Sorry to say but you are wrong. In Germany it is clearly stated that if your head is below a certain body part where your head normally doesnt belong, its not a penalty. I didnt make the rule, but its laid out like that. So in that sight its not a penalty. But we cant change it anyway so why make more drama of it right?

So you're saying that if someone falls over on his own you can just kick him repeatedly in the head with all your force and there will be no sanctions? I am sure there are exceptions to the rule, that is other rules which override it. Otherwise it would be quite embarrassing for FIFA. I am not sure what the overriding rules are but I wonder if any of them gives us the penalty.
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Re: [2015-03-07] Hannover 96 vs Bayern Munich

Postby MUTU » Mon Mar 09, 2015 7:23 am

Hey zozon, calm it down a notch or three cowboy. There are other Bayern communities where personal offences are allowed and almost encouraged, just not here. I replied just to this post as it's the first but there are others.

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Re: [2015-03-07] Hannover 96 vs Bayern Munich

Postby quaazi » Mon Mar 09, 2015 11:49 am

Something to consider. The red graph is our touches in the game v Hannover. The blue one is the game v City.

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One was a workmanlike win against a fairly defensive side. The other a last-moment win against a more adventurous team. The difference is obvious - against Hannover, we passed the ball around the box without any penetration at all and a total of 12 touches inside the box. Against City we had a lot more passes in our own half but we also got the ball into the opposition third and their penalty box far easier - I count around 38 touches inside the box. Yeah, the difference is to be expected. Now for the bonus round.

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This is the 1-1 draw v Schalke back in autumn. You remember, the one that had us frothing at the mouth in futile rage. That's 24 touches inside the box against a team that pulled off probably the most egregious display of busparking we've faced this season (it was right after Keller was fired I believe). A fair few passes around the D and a lot less unthreatening possession down the flanks. This is what I'm afraid of most - that we haven't been improving, but regressing. Hannover looked so, SO uninspiring, and there's no guarantee that things will change any time soon... :|

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Re: [2015-03-07] Hannover 96 vs Bayern Munich

Postby RedQueen » Mon Mar 09, 2015 12:35 pm

Vs Schalke was matchday 2. Keller was sacked in October.
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