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[2015-03-07] Hannover 96 vs Bayern Munich

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What is your prediction for this match?

Poll ended at Sat Mar 07, 2015 3:30 pm

Hannover 96 will win
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It will end in a draw
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Bayern Munich will win
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Re: [2015-03-07] Hannover 96 vs Bayern Munich

Postby pyrasur » Sun Mar 08, 2015 9:11 am

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Robb3449 wrote:Fair point on the goal. Badstuber shares the fault. However, Dante lost a ball earlier that set up a good scoring chance. It's just the lack of pace and continuing to lose the ball deep that is so concerning. It's nothing new for him but the regression seems consistent.

That was the one clear mistake that I remember from Dante. In my opinion, Dante defended that goal almost as good as anyone could without blocking the ball. Especially since he was caught flat footed after the pass and was still able to make a sliding challenge. I mainly blame Badstuber for completely giving up on the play and Boateng for not even trying to clear the ball off the line when it went right past him, well within range. It was a complete defensive failure and for Dante to get scapegoated and thrown under the bus is unfair. Dante hasn't had a great season and has regressed over the last season, like most people say, but that was not the way for him to go out and (probably) end his career at Bayern. Completely hard-done by Pep at the wrong time. And to get subbed off for a striker so Pep could make a point is upsetting for me. How did the Lewandowski sub work out Pep? It didn't. How did having Muller as a center forward work out? I hasn't and never will. How does having three defenders work out? It doesn't. I guess I'm the only one that gets it and I'm honestly sick and tired of the bayern bots celebrating wins while some of us are doing all the thinking and figuring out what's wrong.


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Re: [2015-03-07] Hannover 96 vs Bayern Munich

Postby MUTU » Sun Mar 08, 2015 9:12 am

prasun77 wrote:ok,the goal wasn't Dante's fault but..speaking from a neutral point of view he did commit 1 or 2 mistakes earlier which boateng or bads cleared up..
Dante is a lost case..i still respect him but he doesn't fit in Pep's system and must move on!i guess..if he miraculously finds his game back i will be happy for him to stay!

I didn't see the match but saw the highlights. I saw one clear mistake where Dante was outrun and Badstuber manage to clear it for him. So yes, not saying he's error-free but during the goal he was simply unsuccessful covering up for Badstuber's bad positioning and movement.
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Re: [2015-03-07] Hannover 96 vs Bayern Munich

Postby lau03143 » Sun Mar 08, 2015 9:21 am

I have no issue with Pep hooking a player after half an hour of he thinks the system isn't working.

It shows strong management.

However, it is telling that it is Dante that is removed from play rather than Badstuber who has really no form to speak of for the last 2 years.
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Re: [2015-03-07] Hannover 96 vs Bayern Munich

Postby MUTU » Sun Mar 08, 2015 9:28 am

lau03143 wrote:I have no issue with Pep hooking a player after half an hour of he thinks the system isn't working.

It shows strong management.

However, it is telling that it is Dante that is removed from play rather than Badstuber who has really no form to speak of for the last 2 years.

Yes, it's clear that Dante is advanced in the phasing-out stage. I don't think he'll still be at FC Bayern next season at this rate. Poor guy's gone from fulfilling his wildest dream of being named in the starting lineup of Brazil against Germany at the World Cup in his country to having his career turn into an absolute nightmare. I think he has it in him to pick up his pieces and play a good season or two at some mid-table Bundesliga club with tactics that don't leave defenders so exposed as Bayern's do.
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Re: [2015-03-07] Hannover 96 vs Bayern Munich

Postby ramsej84 » Sun Mar 08, 2015 10:52 am

zozon wrote:What's this bullsh*t about the penalty? Lewa's head was too deep? Suddenly strikers should NOT be diving low to kick balls?

So If a striker chooses to dive low to strike the ball and a defender just sticks out his leg and hits the strikers head that's no penalty? Dangerous play? You all know how to judge when you see the slow-motion replay that there was no contact, but how a referee can see that? There are gazzilion penalties rewarded that are not justified and you are saying this one is not right? What was supposed to happen, Lewa's head in the 3rd seating row? 1cm was the distance separating Lewa's head being blown apart and you are blaming the referee for not seeing no contact?

Where do you live people honestly? You all want Alaba to score from 30 meters, Lewandowski to score with overhead kicks, but that's NOT POSSIBLE every game!!! I can't believe the attitude of some people in here, it makes me puke.

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Re: [2015-03-07] Hannover 96 vs Bayern Munich

Postby lau03143 » Sun Mar 08, 2015 11:26 am

Just watching the game on BT sport.

Yes, Dante looks flat footed, but it is clear the system does not work with 3 CB's, and that's why Pep didn't just swap Dante out for Benatia rather for a striker in Lewandowski . Our midfield just didn't track the runners as MUTU pointed out earlier.

But, it does look like Dante is on a "shoogly peg" and his confidence looks completely shot to bits.
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Re: [2015-03-07] Hannover 96 vs Bayern Munich

Postby quaazi » Sun Mar 08, 2015 11:42 am

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Unfair with Dante, he failed in the mark because Badstuber got lost in the play, letting him alone against two opponents, and confussing him in the mark. It was a defensive mistake and not just Dante.

That's a fairly apologistic attitude. Dante's middle zone was where the threat came from and he didn't even realize it. He only spotted the player he was supposed to be marking or at least shadowing as he was going past him. Blaming Badstuber (who was completely in his position) for not, what, making a clumsy foul and conceding a penalty because Kiyotake attacked the channel Dante should by all rights be covering is pretty silly. Especially considering Badstuber already bailed Dante out of a howler by the tenth minute.
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Re: [2015-03-07] Hannover 96 vs Bayern Munich

Postby lau03143 » Sun Mar 08, 2015 11:56 am

Just got to the penalty incident...

To be honest, that's never a penalty. Lewandowski's head is far too low there. The defender has no option but to go with his feet. His feet weren't high and. The studs were.not showing. It was entirely Lewandowski's fault he got his face hit as he had his race lower than the ball!!!
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Re: [2015-03-07] Hannover 96 vs Bayern Munich

Postby Evandro » Sun Mar 08, 2015 11:57 am

Speaking about Dante. I am sure that Brazilian players at WC bear no sense of failure , emotionally speaking . However I am quite sure that complain daily about their financial losses.
The reason is simple : Do not keep any sense of citizenship by their home country , just want to get the most money (as well as the corrupt national federation itself).
We (FCB supportes) should´t worry about this situation. There must be some other explanation for the head and his body are not in tune
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Re: [2015-03-07] Hannover 96 vs Bayern Munich

Postby lau03143 » Sun Mar 08, 2015 12:20 pm

That's the re-run if the game finished.

I don't know if it's just that I don't have as critical an eye, but as soon as we went to 4 at the back, we had a composed and commanding performance. Hannover weren't in the game after that, and I applaud Pep for making the counter when he did, immediately after we got back level.

If I were Götze, I'd be just as annoyed, subbed less than 10mins into the second half is still a major comment on his performance level.

All in all, 3pts, 3 goals and no injuries, I will class that as a successful trip to Hannover.
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Re: [2015-03-07] Hannover 96 vs Bayern Munich

Postby MaCk0y » Sun Mar 08, 2015 12:33 pm

I think it was the first time the players wore red socks with the away kit.
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Re: [2015-03-07] Hannover 96 vs Bayern Munich

Postby Ottomeister13 » Sun Mar 08, 2015 12:53 pm

Lol Mutu, it is not a penalty.. Sorry to say but you are wrong. In Germany it is clearly stated that if your head is below a certain body part where your head normally doesnt belong, its not a penalty. I didnt make the rule, but its laid out like that. So in that sight its not a penalty. But we cant change it anyway so why make more drama of it right?
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Re: [2015-03-07] Hannover 96 vs Bayern Munich

Postby ramsej84 » Sun Mar 08, 2015 1:31 pm

glad that are who is agreeing it was not a penalty. I am not a yes man and will never be and I call what is white , white and what is black black ...

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Re: [2015-03-07] Hannover 96 vs Bayern Munich

Postby tflags » Sun Mar 08, 2015 1:53 pm

lau03143 wrote:We can't make a system around one defender, especially if others ate capable of playing that system.

Dante is also a liability for Brazil.


The thing is I'm not ready to call Udo Latek a failure.

Dante is a sub for Brazil, not a starter. And that's from a ex coach so discriminate (begin irony) he used Fred and Jo up front, Hulk on the fast wing, and forgot to call Coutinho and Ramirez home for a world cup. Shiverssss.
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Re: [2015-03-07] Hannover 96 vs Bayern Munich

Postby runaway » Sun Mar 08, 2015 2:07 pm

Isn't football governed by the same (FIFA) rulebook? Of course the interpretation varies per country like La Liga being very liberal about their penalties. So the reason why it wasn't a penalty is because of the position of the head? If it was his whole body (and he was ahead of the two defenders but he was instead diving for it than using his feet) and he got kicked from behind that would be a penalty? :-k

Anyway refs got 1-2 seconds of window to decide with no TV replays. It's a little bit instinctual when you see a head to feet contact to call a foul because it is dangerous and if the head shouldn't be that low then diving headers should have been prohibited in the game.
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