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[2016-11-26] Bayern Munich vs Bayer Leverkusen

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What is your prediction for this match?

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Bayern Munich will win
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It will end in a draw
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Bayer 04 Leverkusen will win
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Re: [2016-11-26] Bayern Munich vs Bayer Leverkusen

Postby jcb025 » Fri Nov 25, 2016 8:43 am

In my opinion Carlo still keep thinking that he can smoothly transist the tactics from Real - where he had have BBC trio to our ground, but apparently Muller Lewa Robben or Costa aren't the same players as the Real's stars...that's way the 4-3-3 tactic doesn't match to Bayern - it needs to be changed

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Re: [2016-11-26] Bayern Munich vs Bayer Leverkusen

Postby Coman » Fri Nov 25, 2016 1:08 pm

Like if Barcelona would play in 4-2-3-1. It would be shit even with their MSN.

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Re: [2016-11-26] Bayern Munich vs Bayer Leverkusen

Postby Coman » Fri Nov 25, 2016 1:10 pm

By the way. Which player will not be available for this game ?

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.. and Vidal probably ?

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Re: [2016-11-26] Bayern Munich vs Bayer Leverkusen

Postby ramsej84 » Fri Nov 25, 2016 1:12 pm

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Re: [2016-11-26] Bayern Munich vs Bayer Leverkusen

Postby jcb025 » Fri Nov 25, 2016 1:12 pm

Vidal may play but not whole match, I think...I'm worring about Martinez, hopefully Robben will be fully fit for the game

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Re: [2016-11-26] Bayern Munich vs Bayer Leverkusen

Postby Achilles » Fri Nov 25, 2016 1:35 pm

4-3-3 = pure wingers & Muller on bench with a midfield trio without Alonso(!) but with Renato/Kimmich/Thiago so the two youngsters will press and back up Thiago's spaces so they can let him dictate the game by playmaking.

The ideal midfield would be with Vidal as undisputed starter next to him one of Renato/Martinez and Thiago as a playmaker.
In this particular match Vidal obviously won't be an option unfortunately... Alonso against Schmidt's immense pressing will cost me at least 500€ for a new LED TV.
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Re: [2016-11-26] Bayern Munich vs Bayer Leverkusen

Postby Coman » Fri Nov 25, 2016 1:54 pm

Achilles wrote:4-3-3 = pure wingers & Muller on bench with a midfield trio without Alonso(!) but with Renato/Kimmich/Thiago so the two youngsters will press and back up Thiago's spaces so they can let him dictate the game by playmaking.

The ideal midfield would be with Vidal as undisputed starter next to him one of Renato/Martinez and Thiago as a playmaker.
In this particular match Vidal obviously won't be an option unfortunately... Alonso against Schmidt's immense pressing will cost me at least 500€ for a new LED TV.

All what you say is good and true. But you forget one thing : the best Bayern is with Müller in big part because the best Lewandowski is with Müller.

So it's simple. It's why 4-3-3 isn't for Bayern and why it didn't work even with Guardiola.
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Re: [2016-11-26] Bayern Munich vs Bayer Leverkusen

Postby Achilles » Fri Nov 25, 2016 2:15 pm

Coman wrote:All what you say is good and true. But you forget one thing : the best Bayern is with Müller in big part because the best Lewandowski is with Müller.

So it's simple. It's why 4-3-3 isn't for Bayern and why it didn't work even with Guardiola.

I couldn't agree more with you about the situation with Muller, I have already mentioned a month ago that it's urgent to find a formation that includes Muller because we don't have the luxury to play without him neither Lewandowski has! Muller must play but NOT in a 4-3-3!

If we play 4-3-3 then Muller must stay on bench so I agree that 4-3-3 doesn't provide much to Bayern BUT as I see it is more likely for Ancelotti to drop Muller than drop the "almighty" 4-3-3 formation(with Alonso) so I came to a more realistic conclusion doesn't mean that I want it that way but as I said that freaking 4-3-3 won't be dropped easily....

P.S:Funny part, when we signed Ancelotti I thought that he will play no matter what the Lewa-Muller duo like he did in that 4-4-2 diamond at Milan, I said finally.. unleash the beast(s) ma friend! Completely dissapointed on this predicitons, a colleague at work always making fun of me in every bad result like "That Muller-Lewa partnership you mentioned Achilles is really kickass :lol: "
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Re: [2016-11-26] Bayern Munich vs Bayer Leverkusen

Postby Coman » Fri Nov 25, 2016 2:30 pm

My thoughts about Ancelotti was the same. I thought he was smart enough to turn Pep's Bayern in the same way Heynckes turn LVG's Bayern in a machine.

Actually we are more close to Benitez Inter after Mourinho.

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Re: [2016-11-26] Bayern Munich vs Bayer Leverkusen

Postby FCB 4 EVA » Fri Nov 25, 2016 2:44 pm

jcb025 wrote:Vidal may play but not whole match, I think...I'm worring about Martinez, hopefully Robben will be fully fit for the game

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What worries you about Martinez, he has been our best defender this season.
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Re: [2016-11-26] Bayern Munich vs Bayer Leverkusen

Postby Coman » Fri Nov 25, 2016 2:50 pm

FCB 4 EVA wrote:
jcb025 wrote:Vidal may play but not whole match, I think...I'm worring about Martinez, hopefully Robben will be fully fit for the game

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What worries you about Martinez, he has been our best defender this season.

Nothing to do with his level. Only with his fitness.
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Re: [2016-11-26] Bayern Munich vs Bayer Leverkusen

Postby jcb025 » Fri Nov 25, 2016 2:53 pm

Coman wrote:
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jcb025 wrote:Vidal may play but not whole match, I think...I'm worring about Martinez, hopefully Robben will be fully fit for the game

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What worries you about Martinez, he has been our best defender this season.

Nothing to do with his level. Only with his fitness.

Exactly ;)

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Re: [2016-11-26] Bayern Munich vs Bayer Leverkusen

Postby Pelin » Fri Nov 25, 2016 3:04 pm

Both Bale and Ronaldo scored 55 goals in La Liga last season. l know La Liga is easier than BL, however we don't have any winger/winger forward who can score 20 goals in BL a season. This is why Müller with 4-2-3-1 is a must for us. We can play with 4-3-3 vs a top team in a balanced game. (without Lahm or Alonso in midfield of course)

We are playing 4-3-3 vs teams who defends with 5-4-1 or 5-3-2 with a midfield who can't penetrate. And all we do is crossing to the box.Then we are expecting results. This 4-3-3 mentally effects the team as well. Because of Carlo's heavy rotation,some of our players are out of form.
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Re: [2016-11-26] Bayern Munich vs Bayer Leverkusen

Postby Coman » Fri Nov 25, 2016 3:10 pm

La Liga easier than Bundesliga ? Maybe la Liga has 5-6 shitty team worse than Hambourg where Ronaldo, Messi etc. can score 15-20 goals against. But for the others team la Liga is often harder.

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Re: [2016-11-26] Bayern Munich vs Bayer Leverkusen

Postby ramsej84 » Fri Nov 25, 2016 4:50 pm

I am confident that tomorrow we will bounce back.... we are a wounded beast !
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