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Sun May 11, 2008 10:42 pm |
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FCBinNYC I'm a chatterbox!
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| Deco and Gattuso would solve the midfield problem. Don't forget that as long as he's with us, Ze can still play on the wing like he did a few seasons ago. Ribery-Gattuso-Deco-Ze sounds pretty sick to me! |
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Mon May 12, 2008 3:48 pm |
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likma Hey, I'm new here!
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| FCBinNYC wrote: | | Deco and Gattuso would solve the midfield problem. Don't forget that as long as he's with us, Ze can still play on the wing like he did a few seasons ago. Ribery-Gattuso-Deco-Ze sounds pretty sick to me! | Ze is good, but I think we need better right winger than Ze for Champions League. |
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Mon May 12, 2008 3:59 pm |
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pavlos21 Woah, this feels cool!
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| i don't think that we can find many better players than ze even if he is so old he has a good form and great scoring abilities.he is to fast for he's age too.i think we need him for one last year. |
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Mon May 12, 2008 4:27 pm |
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FCBinNYC I'm a chatterbox!
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| I don't know, I think if we get Deco (or someone more creative in the center) then the need for a better right winger (than Schweini, Sosa, maybe Ze etc) isn't as great. If we stick with the two CDM system (unlikely) then we def need a better winger but with someone creating in the middle I think what we've got is good enough. I keep forgetting about Altintop since he's been injured too, I thought he was the good surprise of the season. He had more goals than Franck until he got injured! |
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Mon May 12, 2008 5:23 pm |
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kevh26 I'm a chatterbox!
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I have to agree there, Hamit has been a great capture!
Ideally everyone would like three highly creative midfielders, one on each wing and one in the middle, but with full backs as good as ours, the too provide a lot of ball into the box, and the need for defence splitting runs is diminished by that, we just need a strong attacking mid, something that I thought Ze would do this season! |
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Mon May 12, 2008 5:59 pm |
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Jorge Woah, this feels cool!
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I do not want to throw a bucket of cold water in here as all this speculation sounds great. I wish we can get all those players; but Bayern will never be Arsenal and at Allianz Arena you will always see I balanced team with German nationals and foreigners because of numerous factors:
1.Franz Beckenbauer is a supporter of FIFA’s 6+5 proposal, even when it died in the European Parliament last week he will influence Bayern to remain as close as possible to that path.
2.Jurgen Klinsmann is the type of coach that will look for young talents -and if they are German he will be happier to take them- so he can shape them to his plan and mind, rather than going after a lot of International Superstars that sometimes are hard to mold to a team scheme.
3.Karl Heinz Rummeninge has aired frustration again and again when Bayern has to release non-European players to countries that do not have NT competitions synchronized with the GBL.
4. It is an official statement that the wallet will not be open this summer.
I fully agree that we need at least one CMF of world caliber and most likely it will come from abroad (Gatuso?) but I do not see him going after an expensive second one and on the contrary he will rely more on what he has including Tim Borowski and Ze Roberto. Same goes to Schweini, Sosa and Altintop along Ribery on the wings and expect to see more and more of Tony Kroos knowing how Klinsmann coaches.
We need to ask the question: with the players that we have, can a coach with a different approach take us to the next level? I believe so.
Again we need to put next season’s scenario in perspective and Klinsmann is a big component, maybe he will stick with what we have: a well balanced team (age and origin) with a CMF addition and if things go well everyone wins, if things do not go well then they might spend the cash in the January transfer window to boost the team. |
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Mon May 12, 2008 7:43 pm |
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shwas55 Woah, this feels cool!
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WE NEED A PLAYMAKER no matter who the coach is, the matches we lost this season show how badly we are lacking in that area.
Gatusso will be a great addition to the team but he is no playmaker, same as Borowski same as Van Bommel, we need a player like ribery in the centre a player who can creat who can score a player with speed.
Even if Kinsi plays with 2 CDM ( which i very much doubt ) then we need Shweini to fire, or a creative striker that plays behind Toni and Klose
(Benzeema for example)
We still need to throw some money if we want to be competitive in the champions league, with the current squad i think we will struggle to score against teams with well organised defences.
If these days trophies are measured with how much squads cost, then i'd say Bayern is around 30-40 mil short from winning the CL |
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Tue May 13, 2008 2:00 pm |
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MunchenFC I'm a chatterbox!
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| Jorge wrote: | I do not want to throw a bucket of cold water in here as all this speculation sounds great. I wish we can get all those players; but Bayern will never be Arsenal and at Allianz Arena you will always see I balanced team with German nationals and foreigners because of numerous factors:
1.Franz Beckenbauer is a supporter of FIFA’s 6+5 proposal, even when it died in the European Parliament last week he will influence Bayern to remain as close as possible to that path.
2.Jurgen Klinsmann is the type of coach that will look for young talents -and if they are German he will be happier to take them- so he can shape them to his plan and mind, rather than going after a lot of International Superstars that sometimes are hard to mold to a team scheme.
3.Karl Heinz Rummeninge has aired frustration again and again when Bayern has to release non-European players to countries that do not have NT competitions synchronized with the GBL.
4. It is an official statement that the wallet will not be open this summer.
I fully agree that we need at least one CMF of world caliber and most likely it will come from abroad (Gatuso?) but I do not see him going after an expensive second one and on the contrary he will rely more on what he has including Tim Borowski and Ze Roberto. Same goes to Schweini, Sosa and Altintop along Ribery on the wings and expect to see more and more of Tony Kroos knowing how Klinsmann coaches.
We need to ask the question: with the players that we have, can a coach with a different approach take us to the next level? I believe so.
Again we need to put next season’s scenario in perspective and Klinsmann is a big component, maybe he will stick with what we have: a well balanced team (age and origin) with a CMF addition and if things go well everyone wins, if things do not go well then they might spend the cash in the January transfer window to boost the team. |
yah, that sound like a smart plan
but, what shwas55 said sounds much better  |
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Tue May 13, 2008 7:06 pm |
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FCBinNYC I'm a chatterbox!
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| Jorge, dropping knowledge! Well said, but I think if Gattuso comes then a true CAM comes too. Maybe someone who can also play as a striker if needed, since I feel that with Schlaudraff going we need another striker just in case. But back to the midfield, it's definite that this will be Ze's last season with Bayern, which leads me to believe he won't be playing as much. In addition, I feel that Van Bommel has come up short this season in ways that Gattuso would not (defense) and someone like Deco or even Toni Kroos would not (passing). So I guess the question is whether Kroos is ready for the big time? (Assuming that this is how Klinsmann will line up the team.) If he isn't, then it should be addressed. |
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Tue May 13, 2008 7:21 pm |
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xevi Woah, this feels cool!
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i think the team will be more or less like that:
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lahm----------lucio------------------demichelis-----------jansen
sagnol------breno-------------------van buyten-----------lell
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altintop---------------------schweinsteiger-----------ribéry
borowski--------------------------XX-------------------XX
-----------------toni----------------------klose
------------------FW---------------------podolski
so we only will get:
- an experienced GK
- a super DM, maybe gattuso
- a young and cheap FW
there are three positions with XX cause we only need three midfielders more and we have 5 for 3 positions: ottl, van bommel, zé, sosa and kroos.
so in my opinion the enimgas for the next season are which will be the three nes players who will come (GK, DM, FW), not how many cause we won't get a RW or a AM.
the other enigma is which 3 midfielders we'll keep and the two who will leave. |
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Tue May 13, 2008 7:59 pm |
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medin69 Yeah, now I'm talking!
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| i think we need cheap striker...one cool gk...one Dm(gattuso) and one creative MF |
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Tue May 13, 2008 8:02 pm |
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pavlos21 Woah, this feels cool!
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| schweinsteiger can't play in the back of the strikers.he is not a playmaker or not so good for that.he's place is in the right and a new playmaker must come we need a good 10. |
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Wed May 14, 2008 6:12 pm |
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Jorge Woah, this feels cool!
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| FCBinNYC wrote: | | Jorge, dropping knowledge! Well said, but I think if Gattuso comes then a true CAM comes too. Maybe someone who can also play as a striker if needed, since I feel that with Schlaudraff going we need another striker just in case. But back to the midfield, it's definite that this will be Ze's last season with Bayern, which leads me to believe he won't be playing as much. In addition, I feel that Van Bommel has come up short this season in ways that Gattuso would not (defense) and someone like Deco or even Toni Kroos would not (passing). So I guess the question is whether Kroos is ready for the big time? (Assuming that this is how Klinsmann will line up the team.) If he isn't, then it should be addressed. |
Good thoughts! There are two things that Klinsmann can do; 1) he can put a formation based on the players that we currently have, 2) lay out his ideal formation and go for the players (is there money for that?)
We seem to agree on one thing, that we need a Defensive Midfielder who can move as a windshield wiper in front of the defense breaking the opponent's game: This is Gattuso and is almost a done deal. Next, a question: do we need a creative attacking midfielder on the center as we have the wings covered up already? Somebody to fill the gap left by Ballack. If we can afford it, that will be great! Diego is the ideal player. If we can not afford it, can we fill the gap then with Ze in front of Gatusso, or beside him but coming forward? But Ze can not play 3 games per week, he will be alternating, the choices are Ottl, Kroos, schweinsteiger and Borowski (although as some said of all these only Ottl seems to be a natural CMF, all the other ones have a better habitat on the wings) On the other hand if we get Gatusso we should not get Deco, instead we should go for somebody with more offensive skills for the same money.
Who knows, there are many ways to skin the cat and Klinsmann is a very creative coach, he might put two DMF's in front of Lucio and Demichelis so Lahm and Jansen/Lell can go forward with more freedom along the lines, then Ribery and schweinsteiger/ Altintop can make more diagonal runs in the last quarter of the field becoming more offensive on the backs of the strikers.
A hard to solve puzzle but for sure we can not stick with the same 11 formula of this season. I am wiling to see different formations adapted to each game and player availability, I would like to see Podolski and Klose taking turns and no one designated as a starter as the other is labeled sub, even Toni should go to the bench when the schedule dictates so. We need all our strikers fully tuned all season long. |
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Wed May 14, 2008 6:56 pm |
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kevh26 I'm a chatterbox!
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| I'd rather not have a definite schedule for strikers, if for example toni is on a roll like towards the end of this season with 8 goals in four games, for the love of christ... DON'T PUT HIM ON THE BENCH, it disrupts the streak! |
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Wed May 14, 2008 7:21 pm |
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mattie Woah, this feels cool!
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| shwas55 wrote: | | WE NEED A PLAYMAKER | we got a complete mid. with gattuso now, we dont need a playmaker we got borowski ribery and altintop which can suprise with creative balls and what you you talkin of borowski like he is a defensive player!! he is an attackin mid. but in werder he played like a center mid cos Diego is there the playmaker ther and we need borowski cos he can switch from attack to defense very fast  |
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