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Fri Jan 04, 2008 9:52 pm |
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tracylynn
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| Paddy wrote: | You can play beautiful football and still win games, look at Man utd, Barcelona, Arsenal and Real years ago.
And it would be a stupid thing to just ignore coaches who don´t speak German because it leaves out many great coaches.
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Winning games and playing beautiful football seems to be going down hill as of lately, at least to me.
I also think that ignoring coaches who do not speak German is stupid but listen to what Franz and the others have said...they want someone who speaks German. If the non-German speaking coaches will learn it then they'll have a shot.
You're welcome, Paddy. |
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Sat Jan 05, 2008 12:04 am |
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| If the coach cannot get his message across to the players due to communication difficulties, then it IS a handicap, especially if he's trying to give quick instructions during the match. |
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Sat Jan 05, 2008 5:39 pm |
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Miss Dangerous...!!
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| MUTU wrote: | | If the coach cannot get his message across to the players due to communication difficulties, then it IS a handicap, especially if he's trying to give quick instructions during the match. |
I agree with you. but the language should not be the biggest issue  |
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Sat Jan 05, 2008 9:49 pm |
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tracylynn
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| MUTU wrote: | | If the coach cannot get his message across to the players due to communication difficulties, then it IS a handicap, especially if he's trying to give quick instructions during the match. |
I agree with you there; however, if the comment about speaking German is the first thing out of Uli's and others head then some foreign coaches might just say, "screw it," and go somewhere else. These coaches know that they'll need to learn the language of the team they are coaching. It does not need to be said. But, the first thing out of Bayern's mouth is that the coach needs to speak German it gives the impression that they are really on
Look at last year, they said the same comment when Magath was fired and Hitzfeld was brought in. Why do they feel that they need to keep saying it? What's the need in saying that? Do they feel that these coaches won't know that they need to learn the language? Perhaps they don't want a foreign coach? |
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Sun Jan 06, 2008 3:50 pm |
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Miss Dangerous...!!
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| tracylynn wrote: | | MUTU wrote: | | If the coach cannot get his message across to the players due to communication difficulties, then it IS a handicap, especially if he's trying to give quick instructions during the match. |
I agree with you there; however, if the comment about speaking German is the first thing out of Uli's and others head then some foreign coaches might just say, "screw it," and go somewhere else. These coaches know that they'll need to learn the language of the team they are coaching. It does not need to be said. But, the first thing out of Bayern's mouth is that the coach needs to speak German it gives the impression that they are really on
Look at last year, they said the same comment when Magath was fired and Hitzfeld was brought in. Why do they feel that they need to keep saying it? What's the need in saying that? Do they feel that these coaches won't know that they need to learn the language? Perhaps they don't want a foreign coach? |
+ Especially when the German language is not widespread like English, Spanish and French  |
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Sun Jan 06, 2008 4:21 pm |
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Paddy
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| Miss Dangerous...!! wrote: | | tracylynn wrote: | | MUTU wrote: | | If the coach cannot get his message across to the players due to communication difficulties, then it IS a handicap, especially if he's trying to give quick instructions during the match. |
I agree with you there; however, if the comment about speaking German is the first thing out of Uli's and others head then some foreign coaches might just say, "screw it," and go somewhere else. These coaches know that they'll need to learn the language of the team they are coaching. It does not need to be said. But, the first thing out of Bayern's mouth is that the coach needs to speak German it gives the impression that they are really on
Look at last year, they said the same comment when Magath was fired and Hitzfeld was brought in. Why do they feel that they need to keep saying it? What's the need in saying that? Do they feel that these coaches won't know that they need to learn the language? Perhaps they don't want a foreign coach? |
+ Especially when the German language is not widespread like English, Spanish and French |
I believe its as common as Frrnch at least in europe. |
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Sun Jan 06, 2008 5:38 pm |
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Miss Dangerous...!!
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| Paddy wrote: | | Miss Dangerous...!! wrote: | | tracylynn wrote: | | MUTU wrote: | | If the coach cannot get his message across to the players due to communication difficulties, then it IS a handicap, especially if he's trying to give quick instructions during the match. |
I agree with you there; however, if the comment about speaking German is the first thing out of Uli's and others head then some foreign coaches might just say, "screw it," and go somewhere else. These coaches know that they'll need to learn the language of the team they are coaching. It does not need to be said. But, the first thing out of Bayern's mouth is that the coach needs to speak German it gives the impression that they are really on
Look at last year, they said the same comment when Magath was fired and Hitzfeld was brought in. Why do they feel that they need to keep saying it? What's the need in saying that? Do they feel that these coaches won't know that they need to learn the language? Perhaps they don't want a foreign coach? |
+ Especially when the German language is not widespread like English, Spanish and French |
I believe its as common as Frrnch at least in europe. |
I don`t live in Europe, but I don`t see people speak German unless it`s there original language or they used to live in Germany. unlike French. and by the way, Lippi speaks French  |
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Sun Jan 06, 2008 6:30 pm |
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| Paddy wrote: | | Miss Dangerous...!! wrote: | | tracylynn wrote: | | MUTU wrote: | | If the coach cannot get his message across to the players due to communication difficulties, then it IS a handicap, especially if he's trying to give quick instructions during the match. |
I agree with you there; however, if the comment about speaking German is the first thing out of Uli's and others head then some foreign coaches might just say, "screw it," and go somewhere else. These coaches know that they'll need to learn the language of the team they are coaching. It does not need to be said. But, the first thing out of Bayern's mouth is that the coach needs to speak German it gives the impression that they are really on
Look at last year, they said the same comment when Magath was fired and Hitzfeld was brought in. Why do they feel that they need to keep saying it? What's the need in saying that? Do they feel that these coaches won't know that they need to learn the language? Perhaps they don't want a foreign coach? |
+ Especially when the German language is not widespread like English, Spanish and French |
I believe its as common as Frrnch at least in europe. |
You mean East Europe but then there we got the Russian as well. French is more common in use for ordinary communications and official in the profession. |
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Sun Jan 06, 2008 7:24 pm |
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Miss Dangerous...!!
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| Schweini_rules wrote: | | Paddy wrote: | | Miss Dangerous...!! wrote: | | tracylynn wrote: | | MUTU wrote: | | If the coach cannot get his message across to the players due to communication difficulties, then it IS a handicap, especially if he's trying to give quick instructions during the match. |
I agree with you there; however, if the comment about speaking German is the first thing out of Uli's and others head then some foreign coaches might just say, "screw it," and go somewhere else. These coaches know that they'll need to learn the language of the team they are coaching. It does not need to be said. But, the first thing out of Bayern's mouth is that the coach needs to speak German it gives the impression that they are really on
Look at last year, they said the same comment when Magath was fired and Hitzfeld was brought in. Why do they feel that they need to keep saying it? What's the need in saying that? Do they feel that these coaches won't know that they need to learn the language? Perhaps they don't want a foreign coach? |
+ Especially when the German language is not widespread like English, Spanish and French |
I believe its as common as Frrnch at least in europe. |
You mean East Europe but then there we got the Russian as well. French is more common in use for ordinary communications and official in the profession. |
Yes, and in the mid-east we have some arabic countries use French as thier second language. also, in africa there`re countries that use it as thier main language. |
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Tue Jan 08, 2008 6:16 pm |
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Jorge
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| elcalifornio wrote: | | The Bundesliga is far more physical, and slower than either the Epl or La Liga. This translates into less skill, more endurance, and fouls. I'm not saying that the BL and Serie A are void of good and even beautiful football at times, but when Bayern started killing teams 4&5 nill, Bundesliga teams sarted chopping players down and putting 11 behind the ball. Why? They lack the speed and skill to compete; they don't have players and the football suffers, which is why a technical Mauirnhio or Lippi approach might work a little better. Serie A right now is a better league than the BL but look how bummed people were about their defensive World Cup victory. Its not as beautiful to watch. |
I could not disagree more with this statement! Football in the Bundesliga these days is more attacking than in the EPL and La Liga (just look at the goal coeficient, on the other hand teams are more balanced than what they used to be, look at FC Koln that has been relegated for some few seasons now and has a strong competition to climb back to BL 1.
As for entertaining it goes in the eyes of the beholder. I personally find some football that a lot of people find attractive boring; e.g. Mexican League where players heat the ball forever in the midfield with long string of short passes, same as for example some EPL teams that rely heavily on long balls. Same as for pure attacking football with reckless defense, that can be boring as well. Beautiful Football is the one that combines all elements of the game, and usually the results follow naturally.
Obviously, how entertaining football is can not be measured with a tape or validated by my or your opinion, but stadium attendance is the best indicator:
Look at this chart:
http://www.footballeconomy.com/stats/stats_att_14.htm
It clearly tells the story: The EPL was queen for decades, then the Serie A became the best back in the 80’s when all the best players went to play there, after a transition in the 90’s the Bundesliga is on the Top neck to neck with the EPL. Serie A is struggling now, you can see semi-empty stadiums even on big matches, and La Liga has created a big budget gap between Barcelona - Real Madrid and the rest.
This is another good chart that counts all sports in the whole world, although some leagues are missing like Mexico, Saudi Arabia or UAE. Serie A these days barely beats in average attendance the MLS (LOL!) and it is at the level of the English second tier (Football League Championship)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_attendance_figures_at_domestic_professional_sports_leagues
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Tue Jan 08, 2008 9:27 pm |
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Mirage
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Language should not be an issue. I say this because it would rule out Mourinho and I don't want that.
I don't want Van Basten, simple because he seems to have a lot of bustups with players! |
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Sat Jan 12, 2008 1:23 am |
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Jorge
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| And at the end it was Jurgen Klinsman! |
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