Kahn and Lehmann are feuding again

tracylynn

Lehmann and Kahn back to feuding
Associated Press,

BERLIN (AP) - Oliver Kahn and Jens Lehmann are feuding again.

Germany's top two goalkeepers traded public barbs leading up to the 2006 World Cup, plunging the national team into crisis and splitting the country until Kahn lost his starting place to Lehmann.
Kahn began the latest spat by saying a reserve on his club shouldn't start for Germany in goal. Lehmann, the current Germany goalkeeper, has been benched at Arsenal in favor of Manuel Almunia after some early season injuries and mistakes.

Lehmann retorted with a remark about Kahn's performance for Bayern Munich.

"If you play all the time at your club - but not well - then you don't have a chance to play on the national team," Lehmann was quoted as saying by Der Spiegel in an interview to be released Sunday.

Kahn, who is recovering from elbow surgery, retired from international play after last year's World Cup.

Kahn also said the golden age of German goalkeepers ended with his international retirement. A two-time FIFA world goalkeeper of the year, Kahn put himself alongside Sepp Maier, Toni Schumacher and Bodo Illgner, who helped Germany win three World Cups.

"He likes to take himself seriously," Lehmann said. "I don't like it when someone glorifies himself."

Former Germany coach Juergen Klinsmann helped create the controversy when he made Kahn and his longtime No. 2 fight for the job at the 2006 World Cup.

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These two "men" need to grow up because both of them act like crying babies 99.999% of the time. And, both of them have egos the size of Texas which needs to be deflated fast.

BTW...someone needs to tell Kahn that the golden age of goalkeepers didn't end with him. Germany still has some good goalkeepers out there who will carry on the tradition of excellent goalkeeping. So, this is one comment by Lehmann that I will agree with,...Kahn takes himself too freaking seriously. Oy-vey.

SNAKE · Last edited by SNAKE on Sun Oct 07, 2007 4:57 pm; edited 1 time in total

Well its a fact that Lehmann is and never was 1 of the best german keepers the national team has ever had. Germany since the 1970s always had a good keepers, Maier,Schumacher,Illgner, Kopke and Kahn. Now thats a good era of quality keepers and every one of them were special. Lehmann was always 3rd class keeper and never won anythin except the Premier League. So I agree with Olli that the golden era...BUT it will get back when TIMO HILDEBRAND will wear the Number 1. Olli may take himself seriously but thats because he knows that he's 1 of the best there is, the best there was and there ever will be and rightly so. BTW If you count the mistakes during both of these keepers in their respected careers, Lehmann surely did the most.

SNAKE

SNAKE

And speaking about taking himself seriously......

Lehmann rubbishes Almunia
Eurosport | Sat, Oct 6, 17:29
Germany goalkeeper Jens Lehmann is confident he will return for Arsenal when he recovers from injury because he says Manuel Almunia has failed to prove he is ready to displace him.

I'd say that Arsenal have been doing fine without Lehmann. What the hell does he think he is? Untouchable? Indespensible? Irreplaceble?

SNAKE

tracylynn

Personally, I think Arsenal are doing better because Henry is no longer at the club and not because of who the goalkeeper is. Plus, Wenger stated that Lehmann would be back after the Euro qualifiers. So, we shall see shall soon if it the case.

Kahn is not the best goalkeeper ever. There's no way in hell that he is because you can not compare one keeper from one era to another due to how the game has evolved. For Kahn, or anyone in that matter, to even think that he is the best ever is just being stupid. Was he good? Yes. The best at one time but that is no longer the case. Is he the best now? No. Comments like that can be compared to comments about Michael Jordan. Folks say that Michael Jordan was the best basketball player ever and no one before him, such as Walt Chamberlain or Karim Abdul Jabar, or after him, though I can not think of anyone at the moment, can touch him. Comments like just are just plain stupid.

No one has ever explain effectively why Lehmann is a 3rd class goalkeeper. If he was a 3rd class goalkeeper then he wouldn't be playing in the top leagues now would he? I personally don't buy the bs of an excuse of how he plays in England and for an EPL team. Who really cares? What does playing in England have anything to do with a quality of a player? Until there is an effective reasoning for this belief, I won't buy the notion that he is a 3rd rate goalkeeper. Obviously, Loew and others think he can still do the job and that's all that matters.

fanOfBayern

I think this is a problem more because of Kahn than Lehmann..

Kahn is just plain arrogant..I don't understand what his problem is when is not playing for Germany anymore.

SNAKE

Well Kahn may not be the best keeper nowadays but he was 1 of the best there ever was, thats for sure, The best keeper ever was Lev Yashin. No one ever considered Lehmann to be 1st class, you cant compare him to Kahn, or Buffon or any other world class keepers that ever shone on the international stage who always won somethin, what did Lehmann win during his career? The worlds most blunders cup and the Epl. I just dont understand why everyone here is against Kahn? He is 1 of the most loyal players to his club(BAYERN) and had hell lot of opportunities to leave for another top european club but still chose to be at Bayern and always performed well. And this is how we thank him for all his dedication and loyalty? by jumping on the anti-Kahn bandwagon and start throwin shit at him just because he has an attitude that may seem arrogant to ppl? I would still like to have Kahn in Bayern coaching staff to help train Rensing and other young keepers.

BTW Arsenal have been doing great not just because Henry isnt there but also without Lehmann and there is no guarnatee that he will retain his number 1 status. and FanofBayern I fully agree with Olli's actions even though he has no interest in the National Team he should try to make Lehmann's career a living hell, cause paybacks a bitch.

SNAKE

tracylynn

First of all, no one is on the anti-Kahn bandwagon. I think some of us just wish he would cut out some of the egotisical crap that he says at times. His concern is Bayern and Bayern only. Sorry but he can not seem to let go of the fact that Klinsmann picked Lehmann over him. Whether that was the right decision or not, he needs to move on and act like an adult. Actually, they both need to act like adults.

Secondly, no offense Snake, but we all know how much you hate Lehmann. You stated last year how much you hated him and all the comments about Klinsmann and how he choosed Jens because he likes the English and so forth. I remember this because you told me that I needed glasses for seeing things differently. The point is you can not let your emotions dictate your responses. Granted, it can be hard but no one should let their emotions dictate a response. You have to be objective so that folks can see your point of view. When this happens then there can be thoughtful discussion, which is what we all want, without the hate and so forth.

I know someone who explained to me their position on Lehmann, and if the person says it is ok then I will repost what he said about Lehmann and Kahn. This person is not a Lehmann fan but he express his opinion in a thoughtful and objective way that he made me say "ok, that makes sense." He did not let his emotions get in the way which was great. Heck, I agreed with what this man said because it such a well thoughout response.

BTW.. Kahn should not make Lehmann's life a living hell because that would be childish. He's an adult and he needs to show that he is a bigger man by letting things go and moving on with his life. If he can't do that then he's no better than Lehmann. Simply put...he and Lehmann need to grow up. They should get off their pedestials, and fans do not need to keep putting them on those pedestials.

MUTU

I saw a documentary by FIFA some time ago and they said that they (FIFA) consider Kahn the best keeper ever, even better than Lev Yashin. Of course, as said previously, they cannot be compared properly. But what remains for sure is that Kahn is at least one of the best 5 goalkeepers of all time.

So Kahn does seem to have a reason behind his ego. Yet they're both ridiculing themselves now.

tracylynn

Let me ask this question...how can one be one of the best of all time when time has not stopped? LOL!! I've always hated it there are labels as "the best of all time" because it makes it sound like anyone that comes after will not be good enough to be on the list. Personally, I think they should say that he will be known as one of the best keepers in the history of football. This keeps things open in my eyes.

mackoy

Kahn said that Germany wouldn't have lost against Italy in the 2006 World Cup if he was Germany's Keeper.
A few days ago, Lehmann said that Arsenal wouldn't have lost against Liverpool in the Champions League quarter final if he was Arsenal's keeper and also critisized Almunia. Yesterday he played against Manchester United and Arsenal lost 2-1. Ronaldo scored from the penalty spot and Hargreaves scored from a freekick. I wouldn't have been surprised if Almunia played and conceded those goals, Lehmann would have said that he would have prevented them from scoring!
Also, Lehmann hates Almunia but do they still train together in the training sessions?

Kahn and Lehmann have something in common, they both sometimes act inmature and they cannot accept it that someone is better than them.

Bayernglasgowfan

Lehmann is nowhere near the goalkeeper Oliver Kahn is, never has been and never will be.

He had the opportunity to return to the Bundesliga in January (or so he claims) but never took it - I wonder why?

It is inconceivable that he will retain the No.1 shirt for Germany in 2008 when he cannot get in the side at Arsenal!!!

Haven't watched so much of Hildebrand since he went to Valencia (another club in crisis) so the golden years of German national team goalkeepers does indeed appear to be over.

MunchenFC

If lehman wins the Euro 08 with Germany(witch will highly be the case) Kahn will have to give some credit to Lehman! Laughing

Bayernglasgowfan

I hope the National team do win 2008 but the whole Klinsmann/Loew/Kahn/Koepke/Bierhoff/Lehamann thing from 2006 still leaves a bitter taste in my mouth (obviously I am pro Kahn so hence the bias!).

mackoy

Koepke.......what a keeper he was Exclamation

MUTU