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tracylynn
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| It's being reported in The Bild that Poldi is now number 4 on the list. He ranks behind Jan Schlaudraff. Hitzfeld said that Schlaudraff is in better condition compare to Poldi. What is going on with Lukas? If this is true and he is now 4th on the order than he really has to work his behind off to even get into the starting position. Then again, maybe he just figure he can wait it out until Klinsi's arrival. Whatever the reason, he's creating more doubts about his ability. |
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Sun Jan 20, 2008 6:09 am |
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| tracylynn wrote: | | It's being reported in The Bild that Poldi is now number 4 on the list. He ranks behind Jan Schlaudraff. Hitzfeld said that Schlaudraff is in better condition compare to Poldi. What is going on with Lukas? If this is true and he is now 4th on the order than he really has to work his behind off to even get into the starting position. Then again, maybe he just figure he can wait it out until Klinsi's arrival. Whatever the reason, he's creating more doubts about his ability. |
Soon he might be 5th, as Sandro Wagner is getting games under his belt every week playing for the reserve team. |
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Sun Jan 20, 2008 4:37 pm |
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| I don't think Wagner will ever reach Podolski's level. I just don't see that much promise in him. Hopefully I'm wrong. |
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Sun Jan 20, 2008 5:21 pm |
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| Unless there is a drastic improvement in Wagner's abilities I think we will never see him as a Bayern's first team player, but you can never know..... |
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Mon Jan 21, 2008 4:46 pm |
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Bayern Munich general manager Uli Hoeness says the German giants are open to letting Lucas Podolski leave on loan in this transfer window, news that could alert Manchester City.
City were keen on signing Podolski in a permanent deal but were warned off by Bayern as Jurgen Klinsmann, who is set to succeed Ottmar Hitzfeld in the summer, wants him as part of his squad next season.
However, with the Germany international struggling to get a game behind Luca Toni and Miroslav Klose in the pecking order, Bayern are willing to let him go somewhere that will give him playing time ahead of the summer's European Championship, so long as they have striking cover.
"We have got to talk about what we are going to do," Hoeness said. "I am torn. A club like Bayern Munich needs four top strikers.
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"I want to help him to make it to the Europeans Championships. And if we loan him out and everything goes well, we have done everything right.
"Then we have got him games and he comes back on July 1."
With Valeri Bojinov, Emile Mpenza and on-loan Nery Castillo injured, Georgios Samaras out of favour and Rolando Bianchi and Darius Vassell hardly prolific, Sven Goran Eriksson is desperate to add firepower to his squad so Podolski - even if just for the short-term - could fit the bill.
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Mon Jan 21, 2008 5:33 pm |
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fanOfBayern
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Loan move until the end of the year will be a good thing for both Lukas and Germany. He will get some match practise. Also, Man C will need a good striker as they seriously mount for the 4th champions league place. They have been playing really good this year and can indeed dislodge Liverpool out of the top 4.
So, poldi will get practise, Man C will get a good striker and Bayern will get back a better poldi in June..All in all, a good move!! |
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Mon Jan 21, 2008 11:15 pm |
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| fanOfBayern wrote: | Loan move until the end of the year will be a good thing for both Lukas and Germany. He will get some match practise. Also, Man C will need a good striker as they seriously mount for the 4th champions league place. They have been playing really good this year and can indeed dislodge Liverpool out of the top 4.
So, poldi will get practise, Man C will get a good striker and Bayern will get back a better poldi in June..All in all, a good move!! |
just as long as we dont sell him before the new manager has given him a chance |
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Tue Jan 22, 2008 12:43 am |
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| We need 4 strikers. This isnīt about Germany nor Poldi. Top club needs 4 strikers in case of injuries, bad form etc. The club has to be selfish. |
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Tue Jan 22, 2008 12:57 am |
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I agree with fcb 4eva...
We have Schlaudraff and Wagner for emergency cases given that Hitzfeld is not really doing much rotation with our strikers anyway...worst case scenario we play with just one striker in the "christmas tree formation (4-3-2-1)" that Hitzfeld used during pre-season, which actually worked very well and I am actually surprised it has not been used more (I guess having Klose or Toni in the bench is considered a big waste of striking power).... |
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Tue Jan 22, 2008 4:22 pm |
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Wed Jan 23, 2008 12:01 am |
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Jorge
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No question about it, 4 strikers is better than 3; Hitzfeld is right on that one; but he is dead wrong on using the 3rd striker occasionally as 80th minute sub, this strategy will backfire on him! If Klose or Toni go down injured one day he will find a rusty 3rd striker. IMO a 3rd striker needs to start games at times, even if they are benched after the first half, then come at 2nd half sub at other times, this keeps that player inserted in the dinamics of the team, on the the regular schemes and not modified strategies that usually happen in the last 10-15 min of a match. It is not benching Klose or Toni, it is lining that 3rd striker up with one or the other, with the rest, from the start, at halftime; this will make that player valuable and in better shape to take over for an injured regular.
The 4th striker is the one that should be that 80th minute player, who bring extra pace to break down a tired defense. Whether Podolski is the 3rd or the 4th that's another question.
One might say that he is given a starting spot at Cup matches more often, but that is a whole different competition that it is approached with a different mindset.
The way I see it, if Podolski does not go on loan elsewhere he will become the next Roque Santa Cruz at Bayern, he will spend all this precious time on the bench and he will go shopping for another club later on after wasting his developement years. He needs to get out of Bayern the rest of this season, so he can come in a better position in the summer to work the final year of his contract under Klinsmann who I am sure will create a better environment for him, even when Podolski might be still behind Klose and Toni. |
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Wed Jan 23, 2008 5:22 am |
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No question about it, 4 strikers is better than 3; Hitzfeld is right on that one; but he is dead wrong on using the 3rd striker occasionally as 80th minute sub, this strategy will backfire on him! If Klose or Toni go down injured one day he will find a rusty 3rd striker. IMO a 3rd striker needs to start games at times, even if they are benched after the first half, then come at 2nd half sub at other times, this keeps that player inserted in the dinamics of the team, on the the regular schemes and not modified strategies that usually happen in the last 10-15 min of a match. It is not benching Klose or Toni, it is lining that 3rd striker up with one or the other, with the rest, from the start, at halftime; this will make that player valuable and in better shape to take over for an injured regular.
The 4th striker is the one that should be that 80th minute player, who bring extra pace to break down a tired defense. Whether Podolski is the 3rd or the 4th that's another question.
One might say that he is given a starting spot at Cup matches more often, but that is a whole different competition that it is approached with a different mindset.
The way I see it, if Podolski does not go on loan elsewhere he will become the next Roque Santa Cruz at Bayern, he will spend all this precious time on the bench and he will go shopping for another club later on after wasting his developement years. He needs to get out of Bayern the rest of this season, so he can come in a better position in the summer to work the final year of his contract under Klinsmann who I am sure will create a better environment for him, even when Podolski might be still behind Klose and Toni. |
I agree with you Jorge, but look at players like Demichelis who had it rough for a couple of seasons and has now developed the kind of mentality and level of play that is expected at Bayern. Poldi is a player who perhaps peaked a little too early. There is no doubt that he is talented but he has to learn the hard way. maybe a change of scenery with work. But the bottom line is - he is a Bayern Munich player and it matters what he does in a Bayern Kit, not a Man city kit. (Man City is no Bayern)
Besides the Bolton game, Poldi has played with little enthusiasm and creativity. Even as a sub he has looked lackluster. i agree with The General, It is not his problem if Poldi plays in the summer or not. Lukas has so much talent, if he really wants it, he can get it--he just has to bite the bullet a little bit. |
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Wed Jan 23, 2008 9:38 am |
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Two (or was it 3?) seasons ago we had Santa Cruz out long term and we had Makaay, Pizarro and Guerrero. The club didn't feel the need to buy another attacker because they felt half a season with 3 attackers was enough. And it was.
I would see the loaning out of Podolski as an investment in his future. Obviously, Hitzfeld doesn't care about this because he won't be with us next season. I am sure that Klinsi would approve the loan.
Anyway, the loan could be done with an option to have him return to the club should Bayern need him. If we suffer a lot of injuries, we'd be able to get him back and play him. And it would be better for us because he'd be playing whilst match fit. |
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Wed Jan 23, 2008 3:25 pm |
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Jorge
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| MUTU wrote: | | I would see the loaning out of Podolski as an investment in his future. Obviously, Hitzfeld doesn't care about this because he won't be with us next season. I am sure that Klinsi would approve the loan. |
Well said! And investing in Podolski future might be investing in Bayern future. Hitzfeld is taking the wrong approach and if he is leaving at the end of the season he should think beyond that date for the sake of Bayern. |
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Wed Jan 23, 2008 9:26 pm |
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tracylynn
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First of all, Hitzfeld is taking the right approach. I don't agree that this has nothing to do with the fact that Hitzfeld will not be with Bayern next season because I'm sure Hitzfeld and others want to see Lukas starting but they are not simply going to let him start because he does not show any effort. I believe they want Lukas to make the effort to show that he deserves the start. Plus, the final decision to loan Podolski out is up to Uli and he has stated that Podolski is going nowhere because they need 4 strikers and with time running out they could very well not get a good replacement for him. So, this has nothing to do with Hitzfeld. This all comes down to Uli and his decisions.
Secondly, this ia quote from a recent interview from Loew and Beckenbauer....
'Naturally, Ottmar Hitzfeld has to look after his own interests and I can understand what he means 100 percent,' said Loew.
And Beckenbauer says the onus is now on Podolski to prove himself behind established goal-scorers Klose and Toni who have netted 18 league goals between them so far this season.
'He was very young when he came to us and is still in the learning phase,' said 'The Kaiser'.
'The competition with Klose and Toni will do him good.'
Podolski has been frustrated by the amount of time he has spent on the bench with only two league starts all season and is worried about losing his place in the German team behind Klose and Schalke's Kevin Kuranyi.
'Lukas knows that we rely on him, if his attitude continues to be correct then he has nothing to worry about,' added Loew
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I totally agree with what they are saying. Lukas needs the competition to push and prove himself, which he has yet to do. The competition will do him good if only he would see that. He needs to push himself to show the world that he is that star that folks think he is. He needs to learn that things don't come for free and that one haas to work for it. But, if he keeps up with the good attitude, which I do think he thinks correctly, then that should carry over to his work habits. |
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